Almaz

Six-seats FSX/P3D payware aircrafts

Recommended Posts

Hi boys! I'm a new member, a passionate simmer who read your always interesting posts since he was a child. First of all, my congratulations for the wonderful site.

I'd like to know if you would have some suggestions on which payware to choose: I was looking for a six-seats well simulated aircraft (preferably on the level of PMDG, A2A, etc.) with modern avionics, like G1000 or something similar.

Single, twin or multi engines.. Pistons, turboprops, turbofans... All these options could be good for me. :biggrin:

Any advice?

Thanks to all in advance. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Help AVSIM continue to serve you!
Please donate today!

Flight1 King Air, should be ready for P3D v4.1 pretty soon, great aircraft and very functional G1000.

 

Share this post


Link to post

Milviz also have a King Air 350i in development, though I wouldn’t expect it anytime soon.

Share this post


Link to post

Thanks for suggestions. And what about the Flight1 Citation Mustang? Could it be a great choise? 

Share this post


Link to post

And.. Is there anything smaller then the mentioned aircrafts? Something like a Beechcraft Baron or cessna C206 with G1000 avionics, for example..

Share this post


Link to post

Yes, the Flight 1 Mustang is also a great little aircraft with a very good G1000. There is the Quest Kodiak, with a G1000 and is a 10 place? I don't have that particular one but have heard good things about it. Go to Lionheart creation and check it out!

 

Cheers

Martin

Share this post


Link to post

You've got a lot of choices and there are some good suggestions already, so here's a couple of others you might also consider.

Fly SimWare make some very good add-ons which fit your criteria both jet and turboprop, with their LearJet 35 and their Cessna C441 Conquest II. Note that the LearJet 35 variant will give you approximately 1,000 miles greater range than a Lear 25, so it's a more flexible choice if you want to do longer flights with something which has a similar flight envelope to the model 25. The Cessna C441 is a very flexible turboprop, being fast (about 350 knots at 16,000 feet) or more economical and long ranged when flown nearer 300 knots at 35,000 feet ,when it can make it about the same distance as a Lear 35, i.e somewhere around 2,500 miles. Neither the FSW Lear 35 or their C441 could be described as having the best texturing you will see (it's okay, just not very inspiring), but their accuracy in terms of simulation more than makes up for the slightly bland visuals, which can of course be sorted out with a repaint anyway. Both these are highly recommended if you value realism in your simulations, especially where turboprop engines are concerned. Don't be fooled by the Alabeo version of the C441, which undeniably does look prettier than the FSW one, but it's frankly atrocious in terms of realistic simulation when compared to the FSW version.

As an outside budget choice, newcomer to aircraft simulation, but previously makers of some sceneries, is Next Gen Simulations, who make a quite nice Cessna CJ4 (aka Cessna Citation 525C). Whilst this is somewhat 'lite' in its avionics, it does feature a reasonably usable simulation of Rockwell Collins avionics common to the CJ4. You actually get two variants of the aircraft in the package (different tailplane configurations), which don't differ much other than the visuals, but it is nice nonetheless to have some variety. Nobody would claim this is a 'study sim' but it is undeniably a fairly convincing add-on which is worth a look since it is inexpensive and fun, with great sounds and a cockpit where most things are 'clickable'. Particularly recommended if you want to fly into busy sceneries too, as it is very good on frame rates, it also features one of the best manuals I've ever seen for an add-on business jet, with a really informative tutorial flight and lots of very good explanations on how and why things are done the way they are. Other product manual writers could learn a lot from looking at the manual for the Next Gen CJ4. It is actually on sale for a bit less than normal price at FS Pilot Shop currently, making it less than 20 quid.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post

Hello all,

Again, every one has failed to mention the PMDG 737 and 747 which is easily converted to a six seater by simply removing about 180 seats for the 737 and about 340 for the 747 LOL

Seriously, the Phenom 100 or 300 with the GTN750 and mod from Bert, is a lovely plane from all reports. (I do not have it) Also the Hawker, slightly bigger. I would also love to see a payware Baron 58 with a really good G1000 but I dont think there is one.

Lots of choices out there for you though and good luck with the "hunt"

Cheers

Tony

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
9 hours ago, Almaz said:

Hi boys! I'm a new member, a passionate simmer who read your always interesting posts since he was a child. First of all, my congratulations for the wonderful site.

I'd like to know if you would have some suggestions on which payware to choose: I was looking for a six-seats well simulated aircraft (preferably on the level of PMDG, A2A, etc.) with modern avionics, like G1000 or something similar.

Single, twin or multi engines.. Pistons, turboprops, turbofans... All these options could be good for me. :biggrin:

Any advice?

Thanks to all in advance. 

 

If Flight1 announces P3DV4 support for either their King Air or Mustang, you've got a plane that matches your criteria.

In the meantime, you either convert an FSX RealAir Duke... or modify a Carenado C90GTX, or Phenom 300, or "minor mod" the Carenado PC12... all requiring a Flight1 GTN 750 avionics addon package..

http://www.simforums.com/forums/flight1-gtn-in-pc12-v2_topic57846.html

Share this post


Link to post

Last I checked, the Flight1 B200 is planned to come out first, early next year (whatever that means), followed by the Mustang.  Also, there's the Carenado PA46 models...I enjoy the Mirage...pressurized beautiful high flyer.  But the Jetprop may have new life as RealityXP is working on the G500.  (Also, I saw a video of a real world Citation S550 with the G500 and GTN750...if Carenado could be so convinced.  Once again, I'll put in a plug for Carenado to make a steam gauge TBM.

 

Share this post


Link to post

OK, I'll remove 180 seats from my 737 :D  

Joking apart, thanks to all, guys ! Very very useful suggestions. I'll take a look around and I'll let you know which my choice is going to be as soon as possible ;)

Share this post


Link to post
11 hours ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

Last I checked, the Flight1 B200 is planned to come out first, early next year (whatever that means), followed by the Mustang.  Also, there's the Carenado PA46 models...I enjoy the Mirage...pressurized beautiful high flyer.  But the Jetprop may have new life as RealityXP is working on the G500.  (Also, I saw a video of a real world Citation S550 with the G500 and GTN750...if Carenado could be so convinced.  Once again, I'll put in a plug for Carenado to make a steam gauge TBM.

 

Hi Greg,

LOL - I just opened a support ticket requesting a steam gauge TBM - complete with pictures - reference to Steve's enormous YouTube presence - links to his videos and our previous discussions... Trying to make a case for a special edition "Steve-O" model - TBM-850 - complete with matching paint and registration number...

Their response "we only model the plane we have access to"... Honestly - they've already modeled all the gauges - so if they hit their 3D parts bin I'm sure they could hobble together a close facsimile...

I tried...

maxresdefault.jpg

 

 

12 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

If Flight1 announces P3DV4 support for either their King Air or Mustang, you've got a plane that matches your criteria.

In the meantime, you either convert an FSX RealAir Duke... or modify a Carenado C90GTX, or Phenom 300, or "minor mod" the Carenado PC12... all requiring a Flight1 GTN 750 avionics addon package..

http://www.simforums.com/forums/flight1-gtn-in-pc12-v2_topic57846.html

Hi Bert,

I've wanted the F1 King Air for a long time - the two issues that have stopped me:

  • Reported performance (FPS)
  • Lack of Airways on the G1000

Hopefully these are addressed in the update...

Regards,
Scott

Share this post


Link to post
13 hours ago, Lenny777 said:

Since you mentioned a bizjet the Lear GLJ Model 25 is a top notch simulation.

 

http://xtremeprototypes.com/en/product_GLJ25_se_v2r1.asp

Since I am incredibly picky on what I put my time into. FSL A320, PMDG, TDFi,

Having bought the GLJ last week. I am blown away with it. Fantastic. I use flight1 GTN 750 and fine this aircraft to be incredibly enjoyable and good in every department.

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, scottb613 said:

I've wanted the F1 King Air for a long time - the two issues that have stopped me:

  • Reported performance (FPS)
  • Lack of Airways on the G1000

Hopefully these are addressed in the update...

Regards,
Scott

Hi Scott, they have added airways to their upgraded G1000, Yoda posted a nice picture of the KA showing that on their forum. Not sure about FPS, I get a pretty consistent 30 fps on a i7-4790k, GTX970.

Cheers

Scott

Share this post


Link to post
16 minutes ago, scottb613 said:

Trying to make a case for a special edition "Steve-O" model - TBM-850 - complete with matching paint and registration number...

I'd convert my current hangar'd TBM to Steve-o's config in a heartbeat!

The fact my name is also Steve and I like the idea of flying around in a plane associated with my name is purely coincidental. :biggrin: 

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, MartinRex007 said:

Hi Scott, they have added airways to their upgraded G1000, Yoda posted a nice picture of the KA showing that on their forum. Not sure about FPS, I get a pretty consistent 30 fps on a i7-4790k, GTX970.

Cheers

Scott

 

1 hour ago, Steve Dra said:

I'd convert my current hangar'd TBM to Steve-o's config in a heartbeat!

The fact my name is also Steve and I like the idea of flying around in a plane associated with my name is purely coincidental. :biggrin: 

 

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the info - yeah - working on a new build now - sounds promising - I'll keep that in mind... I do love anything Beechcraft...

Hi Steve,

Wholeheartedly concur...

Regards,
Scott 

Share this post


Link to post
2 hours ago, Steve Dra said:

I'd convert my current hangar'd TBM to Steve-o's config in a heartbeat!

The fact my name is also Steve and I like the idea of flying around in a plane associated with my name is purely coincidental. :biggrin: 

 

Heck, to me, it doesn't even have to be a Steveo version.  Just a steam gauge version with a realistic set of gauges and, perhaps, options.  Wouldn't it be cool to have different configurations. 

Share this post


Link to post
41 minutes ago, Gregg_Seipp said:

Heck, to me, it doesn't even have to be a Steveo version.  Just a steam gauge version with a realistic set of gauges and, perhaps, options.  Wouldn't it be cool to have different configurations. 

I'm with ya Gregg!

Heck if 2 things weren't true I'd gladly paint the exterior to match what we see in Steve-o's excellent YouTube videos:

  1. I'm a retired (some would argue semi-retired) painter
  2. Its a Carenado model :blink:

Share this post


Link to post

SteveDra

Hello mate. 

Re your last.  I have heard previously that Carenado is incredibly hard to repaint. I also believe this if the Feel there products.  BUT... just what is it that makes them difficult. I am NOT a painter but i would have thought that all repaints from various devs would be same old same old.  I really hope I can understand your reply LOL

Cheers mate and regards to all

Tony Chilcott

 

Share this post


Link to post
2 hours ago, himmelhorse said:

SteveDra

Hello mate. 

Re your last.  I have heard previously that Carenado is incredibly hard to repaint. I also believe this if the Feel there products.  BUT... just what is it that makes them difficult. I am NOT a painter but i would have thought that all repaints from various devs would be same old same old.  I really hope I can understand your reply LOL

Cheers mate and regards to all

Tony Chilcott

 

Hey Tony,

The answer invokes understanding a bit about how our paints, painted on a two dimensional (2D) file commonly referred to as a "map" as in texture map, gets wrapped around a three dimensional (3D) model we see in flightsim...which is almost always a cylindrical tube (with the exception of a Shorts 360 and a few others out there, LOL) 

Most devs' modelers try to arrange all the parts of the aircraft on the 2d texture maps in logical and space-saving ways, in hopes of minimizing the amount of maps they have to use to cover the whole plane.  The more maps they use, the more memory the model takes to load.

With that in mind, most modelers try to strike a balance between the logical arrangement and use of as few maps as possible.  Without getting into a very long explanation about the virtues of each and how some modelers take one road vs another....Carenado seems to randomly and very haphazardly place strategic fuse parts all over the maps.  So when you have a curved line that goes from the front to the back of the plane, you have to really work to get it right.

In addition, most companies provide a "paint kit", which at the most basic level provides a layered fuse "master" that has the entire fuse as one piece.  This master typically has alignment marks that correspond to the places on the 2d maps the parts go on.  This makes is simple to paint the whole fuse (and if you're lucky they also include the vertical tail).  Here is an example on the Majestic Q400 I'm currently painting in UPS colors:

Click here to go to a post in the painter's forum on the Q400 UPS paint...click your browser's back button to come back to this post

The top fuse (with the tail attached) is the left side of the fuse, just below that is the bottom of the plane, and below that is the right side of the fuse.

For some reason I can't post a pic in this forum of what the 2d map looks like, but rest assured its very logically laid out on the Q400.  Anyway...unlike Carenado's map...the Q400 fuse pieces are easy to place as they are laid out almost all in one piece.  Some of Carenado's maps have multiple fuse pieces laid all over the map at different angles...in what looks like an attempt to utterly maximize ever centimeter of the map.  And what's even worse...modelers can code into the part placement, a scaling differential to further optimize space on the map. 
For example, let's say they need the last part to fit on the map or they'll have to add a whole new map just to place the part.  They need to scale it down a juuuust a bit (let's say 97.234% of its original size) and code in that when the texture reader reads that part, it needs to scale it up 2.766% (which would paste it at 100% on the 3d model).

I have yet seen a modeler include that bit of info to use painters, so we're left to figure out how small to scale that part down to make it line up...especially tough if you happen to have a paint line running through the part onto several other parts. :blink:

I hope that explains it well enough....It might help to watch some youtube tutorials on painting ...it might clear my textual explanation up a little. :smile:

 

Share this post


Link to post

Steve,

That was actually fascinating and I thank you sincerely for taking the time to impart all of that information.

The only question now, I guess,  is "WHY the >>>>,  do they do it that way". I understand that such things may be proprietry but surely that is going just a tad too far, and that would surely mean less attraction to their  product. It is one of the reasons I do not buy their products.

I actually have a dream of starting a fictional and purely personal "Five Star Charter" airline with a unique and, I believe, attractive repaint.  This was started via the very kind auspices of "Holo" or Bartek of Kazhol Designs and my Ifly 737 BBJ3 was the first cab off the ranks. It was featured in a post of mine here on AVSIM under "My baby is born" 

You may or may not be  aware of Barteks work but I, for one, am obviously impressed with his standards. This design is now freely available in the AVSIM Library. He is also currently working on the P3Dv4 version of the IFly 737 which will also become available. I am hoping he will eventually do all of my proposed fleet, and again, all aircraft will become available in the Library. This is not a project for any VA nor does it have any commercial aspects involved. It is just an incredibly nice looking repaint that would sit well on almost every aircraft.(well...from my point of view anyway)

Having got slightly off topic here, for which I apologise, I thank you again for your response wehich I guess has reinforced all of my reasons for not getting into the realm of repaints generally.  I do find it fascinating though and really do admire the "painters" skills. You are all indeed artists in every sense of the word.

Thanks again Mate

Tony

 

Share this post


Link to post
7 hours ago, Steve Dra said:

I hope that explains it well enough....It might help to watch some youtube tutorials on painting ...it might clear my textual explanation up a little. :smile:

Hi Steve,

A most excellent write up... Yeah - I always wondered if 3DSMax has some tool to automate the texture mapping process to make the most efficient use of texture sheets... The way they chop things up seems almost mechanical in nature... I can't imagine the Carenado guys painting the aircraft the way we do - especially with their extremely tight time lines - 45 days for a product from start to finish...

Regards,
Scott

Share this post


Link to post

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now