18 minutes ago, Daedalus said:

I can't stop thinking how QW people would feel after reading this, considering all the development time. I'm wondering what are the criteria to be a beta tester at QW.

On the other hand, lets not judge a product by one childish streamer. Interviewing someone and giving him beta access doesn't mean you know how they behave in their personal life or a stream.

One could say, that QW should had given "streaming manners" directions when they lift the NDA, or they just didn't assuming common sense. Or they did, and he misbehaved. I'm sure QW feel bad about their choice. 

Yes, you're right.

There is no way that can be an accurate reflection of the QW team or product. Maybe a better notion is that the product will rise to the highest common denominator, not sink to the lowest. 

I look forward to a suitable price and good first impressions from my peers, most of you. 👨‍✈️ Then, if all is reasonably well, I intend to learn to fly a QW 787.

Kind regards,

Spirit Flyer (Stephen)

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Edited May 22, 20188 yr by tooting

On a side note: The people of the country that could spawn such a beautiful livery must be themselves beautiful, intelligent and creative in the most amazing ways. 

Edited May 22, 20188 yr by SpiritFlyer
;) We are so proud of our modesty and understated humility and perfection!

8 minutes ago, SpiritFlyer said:

Yes, you're right.

There is no way that can be an accurate reflection of the QW team or product. Maybe a better notion is that the product will rise to the highest common denominator, not sink to the lowest. 

I look forward to a suitable price and good first impressions from my peers, most of you. 👨‍✈️ Then, if all is reasonably well, I intend to learn to fly a QW 787.

Kind regards,

Spirit Flyer (Stephen)

I met the QW team at last year's FltSimCon and to a man they struck me as pros. I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill. An anecdote: Quite a few years ago I had a problem with one of their products. As I have said before on other postings here I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer sometimes when it comes to computers. That said Cory responded to my support request and went online in my computer to help sort out the problem and this was not a quick fix. The professionalism I experienced then coupled with meeting them last year leaves me totally comfortable with whatever they produce. Their 787 will be flying on my P3dV4 when it is released.

Dave

I remember what Lars mentioned in one of his interviews from previous flightsimcon conference. He mentioned the development team received a lot of positive feedback from average swimmers who helped them catch bugs that were not caught by testers who were following expected standard procedures.

 

1 hour ago, dbw1 said:

I met the QW team at last year's FltSimCon and to a man they struck me as pros. I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill. An anecdote: Quite a few years ago I had a problem with one of their products. As I have said before on other postings here I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer sometimes when it comes to computers. That said Cory responded to my support request and went online in my computer to help sort out the problem and this was not a quick fix. The professionalism I experienced then coupled with meeting them last year leaves me totally comfortable with whatever they produce. Their 787 will be flying on my P3dV4 when it is released.

Dave

No one here is saying that QW is not a professional organization. I've seen there interviews and I know their proud of there products. This whole discussion is about two beta tester and the pour judgment in streaming the 787. Sorry to say but the  two beta testers in the stream did a discredit to QW and the other tester who worked hard on this project.  So yes people will question QW hiring standards for beta testers, but I also know that they do not represent the company as a whole. If you watched both streams or checked the users profile than you can clearly see why some folks may question a few things. 

Edited May 22, 20188 yr by Wise87

5 minutes ago, biloo said:

He mentioned the development team received a lot of positive feedback from average swimmers

A very odd demographic to be placing much needed reliance on.

5 hours ago, tooting said:

I was lucky enough to get to 'have a go' with the qw 787 beta.  It's a nice product, I was impressed and did 6 flights with zero issues

There are rumours that you cannot enter winds aloft data into the FMC either automatically (via datalink) or manually.  How did the aircraft calculate accurate VNAV descent paths?  Did you notice anything odd  here?

1 hour ago, tooting said:

I used the real world Virgin Atlantic flightplans for weight and fuel (for obvious reasons)  and then used those weights + fuel in the QW manager 

For the air canada flights I ran the route through fw:z (sabre) to get accurate fuel and weights  and then did the above put them into the qw manager.

The fuel burns was bang on the money and on all 6 flights i landed with a perfect amount of fuel as per the flightplan.  From being a dispatcher, there fuel flows biases are bang on the money.

 

 

So are you saying the QW tells you how much fuel is required f9r that specific flight based on route and weights and will load that for you and that you compared what QW fuel calculation was to the real world calculation from your professional software?

If so I likely will use the pfpx numbers because it cannot factor wind aloft.

 

How do you define average?  5 laps?  10 laps?

😃

 

1 hour ago, tooting said:

I used the real world Virgin Atlantic flightplans for weight and fuel (for obvious reasons)  and then used those weights + fuel in the QW manager 

For the air canada flights I ran the route through fw:z (sabre) to get accurate fuel and weights  and then did the above put them into the qw manager.

The fuel burns was bang on the money and on all 6 flights i landed with a perfect amount of fuel as per the flightplan.  From being a dispatcher, there fuel flows biases are bang on the money.

 

 

So are you saying the QW tells you how much fuel is required f9r that specific flight based on route and weights and will load that for you and that you compared what QW fuel calculation was to the real world calculation from your professional software?

If so I likely will use the pfpx numbers because it cannot factor wind aloft.

 

1 hour ago, SpiritFlyer said:

On a side note: The people of the country that could spawn such a beautiful livery must be themselves beautiful, intelligent and creative in the most amazing ways. 

I have to admit, I hated that livery when I first saw it, but’s growing on me and it sure looks great on a 787!

52 minutes ago, biloo said:

I remember what Lars mentioned in one of his interviews from previous flightsimcon conference. He mentioned the development team received a lot of positive feedback from average swimmers who helped them catch bugs that were not caught by testers who were following expected standard procedures.

 

This is correct. When releasing a Beta version, it's good to have testers from all sides of the community. Not just pilots or technical individuals. tackling a beta product from multiple view points is a good way to see how the product behaves. Majority of simmers are just looking to fly from "A to B" anyway. I do not see anything wrong with the beta tester in question. Sure, he may be young but, he was enjoying his time in the sim. Which is what FS is all about.

Edited May 22, 20188 yr by Tino

32 minutes ago, ErichB said:

There are rumours that you cannot enter winds aloft data into the FMC either automatically (via datalink) or manually.  How did the aircraft calculate accurate VNAV descent paths?  Did you notice anything odd  here?

Correct. The forcast page wasn't working 

So much drama over nothing. Super excited about this release, waited for a while for this. Bring it!