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Vertx VS Carenado: The DA62

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Diamonds may be a girl's best friend, but if you've got P3D, which Diamond is going to be your best friend? Well here's a video which takes a good look at the differences between the new Vertx DA62 and the (fairly) new Carenado DA62 and doesn't necessarily come to the black and white conclusion you might expect..

 

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Hi,

Thank you for the video. Please, is it possible to add English subtitles?

Thanks again and Regards,

Richard

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Not to be offensive but I'm impressed by your comment. To me it is really a black and white comparison. Especially if you put their respective prices and what you get side by side. But everyone can have his opinion of course.

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Solid review Chock, I also have them both and I feel each has something to offer. The only disagreement I have is with the statement about not being able to customize the MFD.  On either one you are able choose between Heading, Track, Desired Track, or North as well as activate or deactivate Nav range rings, topo and terrain data. The Carenado VC click areas for these functions are inconsistent but the popup works ok, quirky to be sure, but ok. 

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28 minutes ago, Daedalus said:

Not to be offensive but I'm impressed by your comment. To me it is really a black and white comparison. Especially if you put their respective prices and what you get side by side. But everyone can have his opinion of course.

Consider this: What if you already owned the Carenado synthetic vision system and wanted to practice using it, and you flew a DA42 or DA62 for real? Then perhaps you might prefer a simulated DA62 upon which to practice in which could simulate synthetic vision. Or, what if your system struggled a bit with frame rates and you liked the idea of the 'lite' version which is included in the Carenado package? Of course on the other side of that equation, there are those who might fly twins for real and who appreciate the more realistic single engine operation of the Vertx DA62, and so for those it's going to be a no brainer to pick the Vertx one.

But consider too that when on Avsim, we get a somewhat skewed impression of what flight simmers want as a whole, since it tends to be populated by people who are really into their realism in their simulator add-ons, but this is only a small segment of flight sim users. There are many more people out there who dabble in flight sims who don't really care if the G1000 simulation is perfect and who really are not bothered about practicing engine out operations, and for those users, Carenado stuff will certainly float their boat because they make things which are less expensive and generally speaking, look prettier than the products of most other developers.

Since the video was published to youtube, one has to consider that not everyone who views it will find it via Avsim, and even if they did, they might not be a P3D user, or even a particularly hard-core simmer. They might be considering buying a DA62 sim for their Steam or boxed version of FSX and be seeking opinions on the Carenado one, which it should be noted, also has the advantage of working in both P3D and FSX, whereas the Vertx one does not.

Now, I am mainly a P3D user and since I am a real world pilot who also works in aviation, it should come as no surprise to learn that if I could pick only one of the two, I'd pick the Vertx one and I say as much on the video, but I am not so partisan as to understand that in the wider sense, flight simming is a broad church and attracts all kinds of users, and it is for all those users that I made this comparison video. For if not, then I would have simply made one looking at the Vertx sim alone. But even beyond this sound enough reason to draw such a conclusion, Vertx is a new development company and this is their first product, and one which has already been simulated by another developer, so in looking at their output it is only fair, and indeed might even be a useful straw poll for that developer, to consider what, if any reason, might compel some users to favour one over the other.

As you say, it's a matter of opinion, but in attempting to be fair and helpful to all users, I chose not to simply call it a straight victory for the Vertx one based solely on my own preferences, because to do so would not have been helpful to all flight simmers of every kind of preference who might come across that video.

Not that it's possible to please everyone: I notice someone has put a 'dislike' thumbs down on the video already, but let's just assume they're a miserable ****, shall we? 🤣

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Thanks for the comparison.   Is the real DA62 cockpit (engine sound) that loud?

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The nice thing is that the DA62 is modeled, a niche aircraft.  I have the DA40 and DA42 and like them both, my DA42 has a higher power mod provided by a member here so it is a good cross country flyer on flights of 200-300 miles.  I like the DA40 alot, great 172 competitor, although my favorite all time piston single is the 177 because of its sleek looks on the ground and in the air.  I saw one once, in annual for only 12,000 back in the 80's and I still kick myself for not buying it, but used aircraft do have gremlins so it probably was a good decision, one does not want to impulse buy real GA used aircraft.

John

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3 hours ago, Chock said:

There are many more people out there who dabble in flight sims who don't really care if the G1000 simulation is perfect and who really are not bothered about practicing engine out operations, and for those users, Carenado stuff will certainly float their boat because they make things which are less expensive and generally speaking, look prettier than the products of most other developers.

This is definitely me!!

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Very nice video. I'm still watching it.

My opinion, so far, is that the Vertx is a much nicer sim, but I do like the synthetic vision of Carenado's version.

What's crazy is that the geometry may be more accurate in the Carenado version, like you say in the video, but the textures are sooooo much nicer looking in the Vertx, and that usually where Carenado excels. This is comparing excellent textures to excellent textures.

With the armrests on the Vertx, I can see exactly how the suede leather "feels", so much better in the Vertx DA62.  Also the other upholstery looks more realistic in the Vertx. 

Without a doubt, the flight dynamics are way better with the Vertx.  To me there is no comparison at all.

Also the sounds are a world better with the Vertx.

I know that there are more updates coming with the Vertx, but out of 10, I'd give the Vertx an 8 and the Carenado a 5.

The Carenado would get a higher score if Vertx didn't exist.   This is  not to say that I don't like Carenado, because I do.

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Chock,

I notice that no one has mentioned this but ....

What about the Carenado with synthetic vision AND the F1 or RXP GTN750 configured.  I feel that would overcome all of the shortcomings of the Carenado except for the MFD and lack of alerts as well as flight characteristics. From this point of view alone, regarding the Carenado shortcomings, I feel the Vertx would be the better aircraft for the purists and with my experience with the Duke, I am very much a buyer.

In the same vein, would the Vertx gain any real benefit from installation of the GTN750 and... just how hard is it to insert the GTN into both aircraft. Has there been any attempt for the Carenado as yet??

Regards

Tony

Brilliant video by the way and I was incredibly impressed with the lack of any Bias.  Well Done Sir

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1 hour ago, himmelhorse said:

Chock,

I notice that no one has mentioned this but ....

What about the Carenado with synthetic vision AND the F1 or RXP GTN750 configured.  I feel that would overcome all of the shortcomings of the Carenado except for the MFD and lack of alerts as well as flight characteristics. From this point of view alone, regarding the Carenado shortcomings, I feel the Vertx would be the better aircraft for the purists and with my experience with the Duke, I am very much a buyer.

In the same vein, would the Vertx gain any real benefit from installation of the GTN750 and... just how hard is it to insert the GTN into both aircraft. Has there been any attempt for the Carenado as yet??

Regards

Tony

Interesting idea, but what you'd be talking about is a DIY job (assuming the 3D work for the VC buttons for the GTN was in place), to end up with a DA62 costing over £100 quid which still doesn't have as complex a flight model as the alternative which costs 30 quid.

Carenado DA62: £30.99

Carenado Synthetic Vision System for P3D/FSX: £26.99

RealityXP GTN 750/Flight 1 GTN 750: £45/£50

Total: £100 quid (or about 125 Dollars)

So it kind of gets to the point where it is only really worth doing for someone with more money than sense.

 

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Alan,

Whilst I totally agree with your logic there is the aspect of the synthetic vision and the GTN  being usable in quite a few aircraft.

I do not own any Carenado aircraft except for the Phenom 300 which I cannot register (I do not know why and apparently neither does Carenado as they have offered me an alternative aircraft.) However, I do own the f1 GTN650 750  which can be installed into multiple aircraft and the same would apply to the Synthetic Vision. Under those conditions the cost is somewhat reduced depending on how crazy one goes buying Carenado aircraft The GTN obviously is a little more versatile in that it can be installed into many aircraft (notably the Duke LOL) 

I would also like to stress that I am completely unaware of the capabilities of the Vertx system other than it appears to be a lot more complex than the Carenado one and I am really wondering if the GTN750 would add anything significent to its abilities.

Bert Pieke,  as the resident expert, may be able to do a mod similar to the Phenom 300 for the Vertex but I don't know if it is a practical mod in the first place.

Regards

Tony

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I always thought comparing anything with Carenado was like comparing anything good with a pile of junk. 

Maybe there are exceptions. Maybe. 

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I think it goes without saying also that healthy competition in the marketplace is always good for the consumer.  It's no small coincidence that the two different sims by Vertx and Carenado both have almost the same baseline price, and everyone thus benefits.   🙂   

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Interesting. I do have to say I am surprised to see jaggies on the wing of the "real" cockpit photo at the 4 minute mark. Are you sure that is a real photo?

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I have not tested yet but was just watching a video on the aircraft and they mentioned electronic stability control that will push you back to 30 degrees of bank if you do too steep of a turn. Does anyOne know if the Vertx has this feature? 

Good video Chock, did you notice that you tried to start the engines with the fuel off?  Ctrl E fixed that.  

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1 hour ago, MarkW said:

I have not tested yet but was just watching a video on the aircraft and they mentioned electronic stability control that will push you back to 30 degrees of bank if you do too steep of a turn. Does anyOne know if the Vertx has this feature? 

Good video Chock, did you notice that you tried to start the engines with the fuel off?  Ctrl E fixed that.  

Yup, I did notice that lol

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3 hours ago, Howellerman said:

Interesting. I do have to say I am surprised to see jaggies on the wing of the "real" cockpit photo at the 4 minute mark. Are you sure that is a real photo?

What it is, is a screengrab of one of those 360 degree pannable composite pictures, which is on the Diamond Website as part of their virtual tour, so yes, it is a real photo, or at least a composite of several real photos, but not particularly high res ones.

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Getting tough to be a reviewer.  We have some sharp-eye members!  What reviewers get when they put the magnifying app in the SmartPhones and I-Phones! 😄 (and the Ctrl+ feature in Windows).

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Have watched Chock's video and have been flying the Diamond quite a bit and I have thoughts.

I really like the Vertx. The flying is great. Avionics work. All the sounds are very good. But, why no side windows? Puzzling, but maybe those are optional? The model and textures are great, especially the external work. (The Carenado version looked wonky around the cowling, imo.)

All the above come together to provide a great sense of flying. A real value at $40.

The Carenado (as viewed in Chock's video) was obviously pretty, but the sounds really spoiled it for me. The reuse of the same old switch and engine sounds is pretty lazy. I don't have a view of the avionic's fidelity.

Fun fact: I flew into some icing during climb-out and didn't have any anti-ice turned on. I spun in before I could count to 3. I guess this means they modeled structural icing.

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Great comparison between the two and a good point on the Carenado Synthetic Vision. I was considering getting it for some other Carenado's I own and if I already had it that would be a factor on which DA62 to choose.

Can anyone tell me how the two are for night flying? I have a few aircraft from Carenado and some have ok cockpit and landing lights while others are terrible. Landing the Carenado SR22 GTSX on a moonless night is an adventure. On the other end of the spectrum the A2A C182 is fantastic both in the cockpit and lighting up the runway.

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A great discussion, many great points. But at the end of the day, for those of us who use FSX and who do not [yet] use P3Dv..., and who may wish to presently fly a DA62, and not at some point down the road, the juxtaposition, let alone the comparison, is all rather moot isn't it?

Yes, there are those of us who still exist... for *whatever* reasons.

Regards,  Russ

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