rsrandazzo

[02MAR19] Humpty Was Pushed: PMDG Has Left the Building

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Captains,

In my post last week, I mentioned that we were planning to maintain this forum on AVSim for some time, in an effort to ease the transition from AVSim, a site we have supported and driven traffic toward for twenty years.

All of the PMDG moderators have been dumped from moderator status, thus making it impossible for us to do as we promised.  For this, I apologize.

We invite you to visit with us at our new home:  http://forum.pmdg.com

I would ask that those who frequent here please help us to point others in that direction- as I will likely not ask the PMDG team to frequent this location so as to not upset the AVSim moderators.

I would have preferred that this transition happen in a more familial fashion- but sometimes in life we don't get the choice.

I offer my own final farewell to the site begun by my friend Tom.  He was a tremendous friend and I still miss him.

 

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Not sure i got it right. The issue for the early leave is that you cannot moderate it anymore? I am sure PMDG team can still frequent this forum, follow the rules and not upset Avsim moderators 🙂

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No happy ending

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8 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

I somehow know why I was looking forward to that moment. 

 

https://youtu.be/VPpd-6X3tEo

Me too. End of unsigned posts. About time.

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What?

Being guest for 20 years, leaving the house on own wish, and now complaining that he has to leave the keys and can't make is own rules in this house anymore?

If I were the owners of this house I would say: go with God's blessing (but go!)

Sorry if I've missunderstood something.

Peter

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17 minutes ago, Opterix said:

What?

Being guest for 20 years, leaving the house on own wish, and now complaining that he has to leave the keys and can't make is own rules in this house anymore?

If I were the owners of this house I would say: go with god's sake (but go!)

Sorry if I've missunderstood something.

Peter

You do 🙂 PMDG has been responsible for most traffic on avsim, people came here mostly because of the PMDG forum. Without PMDG the usage of this forum will very likely drop significantly and hence the „income“. 

When PMDG statet about a year ago or more that they will leave avsim their forum has been unaccessible immediately. It seems the whole site is managed very immaturely and this is another childish action by the avsim staff.

to me this means pretty much goodbye to avsim. Maybe some checking at the FS2CREW forum now and then but no participation anymore. Wrong people at the wrong positions make wrong decisions and that‘s what you get. So what...

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10 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

You do 🙂 

O.K., sorry for that . . . 😉

10 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

Without PMDG the usage of this forum will very likely drop significantly and hence the „income“.

Since PMDG moderators have deleted each posting without real first and last name I would say that _they_ (PMDG) have dropped traffic on this forum significantly. Sounds more logical, agree?

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4 minutes ago, Opterix said:

Sounds more logical, agree?

No, it sounds more like petulant behaviour by Avsim staff to be honest. Quite petty really.

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and I always thought they paid their way (hence I never donated to avsim. only used it to access support for pmdg / va / mce / vox etc, all paywares).... now I hear their freebies with autocracy all this time !

I have no need to correct my real name :wink:

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14 minutes ago, Ephedrin said:

You do 🙂 PMDG has been responsible for most traffic on avsim, people came here mostly because of the PMDG forum. Without PMDG the usage of this forum will very likely drop significantly and hence the „income“. 

Believe it or not, there are actually people who don't use PMDG products, there are other simulators, other developers etc. Somehow, I think Avsim will survive

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@DavidP Sorry, I'm in best conditions, I feel fine and I've been very happy until a few moments ago.

And I will be very happy in a few moments again. I don't want to discuss in this Roses War, I only wanted to give a sign of my great amazement (and a little amusement).

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3 minutes ago, tonywob said:

Believe it or not, there are actually people who don't use PMDG products, there are other simulators, other developers etc. Somehow, I think Avsim will survive

No doubt. Nothing that needs to be believed. Just a single look at were the posts have been. I certainly don‘t have a problem with that. 

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but please tell me pmdg  (again) never paid their way on this forum ....

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Well, there are so so many simulator sections in these AVSIM forums that I really wonder why people think that just because PMDG left that's going to empty the reserves...

I visit AVSIM mostly for X-Plane and other Flightsims Forums... and it has been like that for years !  I believe many other do exactly the same ?

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9 minutes ago, jcomm said:

I visit AVSIM mostly for X-Plane and other Flightsims Forums... and it has been like that for years !  I believe many other do excatly the same ?

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57 minutes ago, Opterix said:

Since PMDG moderators have deleted each posting without real first and last name

Precisely because a PMDG product, be it any product, is amuch sought-after item, and in some instances, has been acquired er-hmm, by other surreptitious means(I know of a word-not-alllowed P3D user, and I have tried to alert but was ignored), hence that requirement for first and last names, to prove one seeking help in a PMDG Forum, is a genuine product owner.

Just as I have no qualms with the multitude of CCTV cameras festooning our High Sts because I have nothing to hide from, so with complying with PMDG's first and last name rules. The same applies in FSL's Forums. Nobody kicks off there.

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I only picked up the humor of PMDG about PBR (pabst blue ribbon) and gave a link to my thread in the screenshot forum. It was this one.
And this posting was deleted.

So to be allowed to smile about the humor of PMDG I have to proof first that I'm a "genuine product owner"?

:biggrin:

Or did PMDG have lost their humor?

 

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5 hours ago, rsrandazzo said:

All of the PMDG moderators have been dumped from moderator status, thus making it impossible for us to do as we promised. 

Impossible? Surely its not impossible. The Avsim moderators are still quite capable of moderating, and the "report post" button still works. People are still going to be talking about PMDG here at Avsim and other forums where PMDG staff do not have moderators, so I see no reason to be too concerned. PMDG need not be concerned what others "think", the products and service speaks for itself. Anybody can sign a fake name, so if that is a large part of the issue, it could be a non issue altogether for all anyone knows.

But either way...

I personally will "defend the truth" about PMDG quality here when I know falsehoods are being stated, and will do my part in directing interested simmers to the new forum. 

I bookmarked the new PMDG forum on day 1, so I'm good. :biggrin:

To the rest of the community:

Please lets not let this turn into a Avsim vs PMDG topic...unity is vital in this tiny community, division will destroy us.

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Seems to me that some noise is going around AVSIM forums lately. There are some cases I won´t mention, very valuable people that have also left, well known by the entire community. So I hope AVSIM gets the message in a proper way and changes or improves what it would need to be improved.

Cheers, Ed

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9 minutes ago, pracines said:

To the rest of the community:

 

Please lets not let this turn into a Avsim vs PMDG topic...unity is vital in this tiny community, division will destroy us.

That's a very good idea!

So let us turn this thread into a topic about open doors and right of privacy.

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Just to clarify, there will still be a PMDG forum here at AVsim. It has been moved to the unofficial user to user area. You can still discuss PMDG products and share information with each other. So to correct some previous assumptions, PMDG has not completely left the building, just their official forums.  This forum now falls under the management of Avsim staff.

 

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8 minutes ago, Opterix said:

That's a very good idea!

So let us turn this thread into a topic about open doors and right of privacy.

But this is (still) the PMDG forum, so lets not do that here.

The primary topic here is the new PMDG forum not internet or international law.

Starting a new topic in Hangar Chat would be a better choice.🙂

 

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Gentlemen and ladies, we are not going to get into a privacy debate.  That has nothing to do with today's announcement.  Please step away from that topic.  It's over and done.

I know what many feel about this and I think that most other members do too.  So let it go.

 

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