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Hi all,

I use to flight with the real air duke b60 piston, but now I want to offer myself a new plane,

I'd like a twin engine similar to the Duke b60,

I hesitate between the carenado b58 and the carenado Pa34 seneca v, both are my style of plane

Any advices or recommendation ?

 

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Milviz  twin Comanche. 

Or they also do the Baron b55/e55 which is a little older but very good as well. 

Finally Vertx simulations (ex realair dev) da 52 Diamond. 

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2 hours ago, dyl55 said:

Hi all,

I use to flight with the real air duke b60 piston, but now I want to offer myself a new plane,

I'd like a twin engine similar to the Duke b60,

I hesitate between the carenado b58 and the carenado Pa34 seneca v, both are my style of plane

Any advices or recommendation ?

 

Thanks

Milviz C310 redux or Baron.  

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My recommendation would be the Alabeo C421 Golden Eagle. The Golden Eagle is very similar to the B60 Duke and it's one of Alabeo's best releases so far. Bug free, easy on the frames and flies great. 

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I have the 310R Redux and it's very nice with the modified settings.

[flight_tuning]
p_factor_on_yaw          = 1.0  //p_factor_on_yaw  = -0.3
torque_on_roll           = 1.0  //torque_on_roll   = 0.3

[GeneralEngineData]
Engine.0 = 6.5, -0.5, 0.0  //Engine.0 = 6.5, -5.8, 0.0
Engine.1 = 6.5,  0.5, 0.0  //Engine.1 = 6.5,  6.2, 0.0

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4 hours ago, Tim-HH said:

My recommendation would be the Alabeo C421 Golden Eagle. The Golden Eagle is very similar to the B60 Duke and it's one of Alabeo's best releases so far. Bug free, easy on the frames and flies great. 

Thanks all 🙂 

 

I like de c421 so my choice would be now between the c421, pa34 or b58 🙂

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6 hours ago, Tim-HH said:

My recommendation would be the Alabeo C421 Golden Eagle. The Golden Eagle is very similar to the B60 Duke and it's one of Alabeo's best releases so far. Bug free, easy on the frames and flies great. 

So far the recommendations here are spot on.  I do fly the Milviz 310 Redux and B55 Baron a lot.  Both are light twins.  The RealAir Duke series is not.  So a couple of additional recommendations might be the Carenado C90B King Air, or it's successor, the C90 GTX.  Another to consider based on his expression, would be the Carenado F406 Caravan II.  Both are well enough modeled and have that feel of a larger twin.

The Carenado F406 Caravan II does sport an Aspen EFD1000 which can be a bit frustrating at times.  But it does have the solid feel of a heavier twin and a sense of throwback from the panel.  It has the greatest number of available seats for transporting friends.  I have two variants of it in use.  One with an RXP GTN 750 over an RXP GNS530v2 with a an RXP WX500 to the right.  The other has a bit more throwback to it with a stack of two RXP GNS530's flanked by the WX500.

The C90B sports an Avidyne MFD, which pairs quite nicely with a Reality XP GNS v2 430 GPS and the Avidyne can display the GNS's  flight plan on one of its screen choices, and the magenta flight plan line on it's map.  I found myself flying it more that any other heavier twin before getting sidetracked by that Realair TDv2.  I still enjoy stepping back into it as I have several custom liveries/tail #'s  I created for it.

The VC autopilots in both cases are low on the center console, so use of a pop up is likely, or a TrackIR.  I use a Saitek Multipanel with those two aircraft. 

The C90 GTX was a waste of my dollars.  I do not enjoy the panel and it has been stubborn in accepting GPS models that could provide more up-to-date NAV databases.

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1 hour ago, dyl55 said:

Thanks all 🙂 

 

I like de c421 so my choice would be now between the c421, pa34 or b58 🙂

The Milviz planes will have a better flight model.  The Baron is an older model but is my favorite out of the Milviz twins.  The twin Comanche lacks character IMO.

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7 hours ago, Buffy Foster said:

I like the MilViz Cessna 310R Redux and the Vertx DA62.  They're both very nice! 🙂

Ditto for me.

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6 hours ago, FPStewy said:

I have the 310R Redux and it's very nice with the modified settings.

[flight_tuning]
p_factor_on_yaw          = 1.0  //p_factor_on_yaw  = -0.3
torque_on_roll           = 1.0  //torque_on_roll   = 0.3

[GeneralEngineData]
Engine.0 = 6.5, -0.5, 0.0  //Engine.0 = 6.5, -5.8, 0.0
Engine.1 = 6.5,  0.5, 0.0  //Engine.1 = 6.5,  6.2, 0.0

Does this change become more realistic?

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12 minutes ago, JLuis said:

Does this change become more realistic?

While some might subjectively like changes like this,I can't imagine it makes it more realistic.  The 310R's FDE was done during a period when a key Milviz contributor owned/flew the plane used to build the model.  It was, according to that pilot, an extremely accurate representation of the real plane used as the prototype.

The 310R is, admittedly, one of the more challenging light twin sim models to fly - and that's a big part of why I enjoy it, knowing that the plane's owner believed it to be an extremely accurate simulation of his real-world plane.

Obviously highly recommended in the light twin class from me as well, but as Frank notes above it really isn't in the same class of planes as the piston Duke.  The 310R (and B55 and DA62, and...) are all light twins and the B60 is not.

 

Scott

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One of favorite twin-engined planes is the Carenado B58 with the HawkDSL turbo mods (they are in the library). Hank (Henry) modified the sound files (sounds more like flying with a headset on, which would be more natural), the gauges (to account for the extra boost), and the flight model. He did not make it a "rocket ship", but instead is is an extremely well performing aircraft that enjoys high altitude. 

Highly recommended. And Ron Attwood's N8UR paint is excellent!

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On 4/30/2019 at 6:25 PM, JLuis said:

Does this change become more realistic?

I've said my peace on this before and I'm not going to shy away from my opinion.

Look it's an absolutely fabulous plane there is no doubt about it, the work that has gone into the redux is second to none in my humble opinion, but I've see post about people buying it and then parking it never to be flown again because of the "realistic" settings. The settings I have is what I would call - enjoyable settings and for me I'm fine with that.

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Because I don't have rudder pedals yet, the yaw on takeoff is substantial just like the real plane and hard to control, so I'm one of those that don't fly it much because of that, so until my new rig with pedals comes on line I'll try your mods FPStewy thanks for the post.

Cheers

Martin 

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My fav twin engine pressurized aircraft is the Alabeo Golden Eagle, comparable in performance to the Duke, which I have.  If you want a less thirsty but almost as fast aircraft, consider the Carenado Malibu Mirage too.  It's still a six place, pressurized and flight level capable aircraft.

John

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On 4/30/2019 at 10:53 PM, mpw8679 said:

The Milviz planes will have a better flight model.  

That's definitely not the case since the (ex) Milviz FDE designer is doing the Alabeo/Carenado FDEs. E.g. the 'new' Alabeo 310 has a better FDE than the 'old' Milviz 310.

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On 4/30/2019 at 5:25 PM, FPStewy said:

I have the 310R Redux and it's very nice with the modified settings.

[flight_tuning]
p_factor_on_yaw          = 1.0  //p_factor_on_yaw  = -0.3
torque_on_roll           = 1.0  //torque_on_roll   = 0.3

[GeneralEngineData]
Engine.0 = 6.5, -0.5, 0.0  //Engine.0 = 6.5, -5.8, 0.0
Engine.1 = 6.5,  0.5, 0.0  //Engine.1 = 6.5,  6.2, 0.0

These are rather strange and contradicting changes. In the flight tuning section you trippled!!! the p-factor and torque effects (which definitely doesn't make the 310 easier to fly) and in the generel engine data section you placed the engines within the fuselage..... 

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1 hour ago, FPStewy said:

Look it's an absolutely fabulous plane there is no doubt about it, the work that has gone into the redux is second to none in my humble opinion, but I've see post about people buying it and then parking it never to be flown again because of the "realistic" settings. The settings I have is what I would call - enjoyable settings and for me I'm fine with that.

Just to be clear - I was very careful in responding to the realism question to NOT criticize your efforts.  I find nothing wrong with folks tailoring things to their desires/needs if that's what they want to do.  If it puts a smile on your face that's justification enough.  If you think it'll put a smile on someone else's face, then there's also nothing wrong with sharing it.  But the question was about realism, so that's the topic I addressed.

1 hour ago, MartinRex007 said:

Because I don't have rudder pedals yet, the yaw on takeoff is substantial just like the real plane and hard to control, so I'm one of those that don't fly it much because of that, so until my new rig with pedals comes on line I'll try your mods FPStewy thanks for the post.

Indeed.  I can't imagine trying to fly this plane without a decent set of rudder pedals.  Just as it'd be almost impossible to fly the real thing that way! 🙂

 

Scott

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50 minutes ago, FDEdev said:

That's definitely not the case since the (ex) Milviz FDE designer is doing the Alabeo/Carenado FDEs. E.g. the 'new' Alabeo 310 has a better FDE than the 'old' Milviz 310.

I stand corrected.  Is he doing all the Alabeo/Carenado planes?

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If you own the RealAir Turbine Duke or B60, the now ceased trading RealAir have been kind enough to supply new installers, including for P3D to existing customers only free of charge.

Or as mentioned about there is VertX Diamond DA-62, which is rather beautiful and flies very well. My only real criticism of this plane is tha the current initial release has limited functionality in the G1000, which although beautifully modelled graphically, has some key functions missing at this point.

I look forward to an update to this to fill in some of the gaps, after which it will be a very nice package indeed.

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14 hours ago, tttocs said:

Just as it'd be almost impossible to fly the real thing that way!

 

I just now did a flight in the 310R and it was enjoyable to fly, but I do have to say that if the default settings are the realistic settings then I would never step foot in the plane in real life.

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1 hour ago, FPStewy said:

I just now did a flight in the 310R and it was enjoyable to fly, but I do have to say that if the default settings are the realistic settings then I would never step foot in the plane in real life.

A side effect of the slightly unconventional Milviz FDE is that if you reduce the realism settings in the menu, the plane becomes increasingly difficult (and less realistic) to control.

Realism settings must always be at the maximum with basically all high quality FDEs!

The Alabeo 310 is noticable easier and hence more realistic to control.

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