3 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

and after you have seen it you realized it was a piece of shi-tzu?

It's possible that MSFS 2020 could be an ugly little mutt, but MS needs something massive to prop up its flagging gaming initiative. MSFS could be either a make or break app for the gaming division. I'll put my money on MS, unless I see something concrete to proves that MSFS is not as advertised.

Also, I'm unsure whether there will be a V5 of P3d. It would make more sense for LM to work with MS and jointly produce a commercial version of MSFS that would suit the needs of pilots, the military and the aviation industry. No computer application is ever built from scratch and MS could benefit greatly from LM's expertise.

Just remember MS Flight....

I am still impressed on how tight LM NDA is for the next upcoming release.  Pete still sims, I am gonna check his schedule to see if he is going on vacation any time soon.  I remember once, I found out P3Dv4 imminent release by the fsuipc logs (and posted that cool thread here).  

Only clue that I have is Orbx found a strange bug with Orbx Central which LM needs to fix (this is not really a clue but Orbx said in forums, LM has look at it)  

So if the NDA is super tight, then there is slightly higher probability that it is v5

 

Edited August 21, 20196 yr by Skywolf

I agree, even IF V5 was a year away it would be nice if LM at least acknowledged it and told us the possible changes it was going to bring. We have heard nothing for a long time... Come on Lockheed... Give us something... 

10 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

It's interesting to see people raving about MSFS 2020 and its features and all we have seen is one video. As long we haven't read a first test preview of an REAL copy its nothing more than vaporware. Do you remember some movie trailers where you thought "oh, what an interesting movie, lets watch this!" and after you have seen it you realized it was a piece of shi-tzu?

Yes I did. I think it was the promo for MS Flight.

Just wonder,

If the MS2020 world is a couple of petabytes big how would all this info get into a computer to keep up with a fast flying airplane?

The current sim gets all blurry when using repetitive textures being fed by an SSD. What should it take to get a decent image for an airliner moving at 250 knots through the MS cloud based scenery?

 

 

Edited August 23, 20196 yr by ha5mvo

8 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Magical beans ... since Microsoft are lurking ... one could establish fake news of indirection, or one could provide real news and pretend its fake, or one could ...

https://www.satellitetoday.com/imagery-and-sensing/2019/06/05/lockheed-martin-develops-satellite-imagery-recognition-system/

Lockheed Martin is a Military contractor, imagery provider, have helped build and launch satellites, require very high resolution imagery for obvious reasons, have built both commercial and military aircraft ... so how many aircraft has Microsoft built?  How many satellites that gather imagery data has Microsoft built?

IMHO, it would be best to think of Microsoft and Lockheed Martin as partners rather than competitors. 🙂

Cheers, Rob

 

 

So like :

Be Prepar3D for MS Fs2020 ... 🛫

11 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Magical beans ... since Microsoft are lurking ... one could establish fake news of indirection, or one could provide real news and pretend its fake, or one could ...

https://www.satellitetoday.com/imagery-and-sensing/2019/06/05/lockheed-martin-develops-satellite-imagery-recognition-system/

Lockheed Martin is a Military contractor, imagery provider, have helped build and launch satellites, require very high resolution imagery for obvious reasons, have built both commercial and military aircraft ... so how many aircraft has Microsoft built?  How many satellites that gather imagery data has Microsoft built?

IMHO, it would be best to think of Microsoft and Lockheed Martin as partners rather than competitors. 🙂

Cheers, Rob

 

 

I don't know. GATR is an AI software solution to identify (military?) targets on satellite imagery. How is this relevant for a flightsim?

Maybe Microsoft owns satellites, maybe they don't. It is not like they couldn't afford some. But they definitely already have GIS databases and imagery of their own, free of any government or military entanglements. Why would they want to partner with anyone (and share the cake) when they can do everything in-house or with subsidiaries?

Best regards

On 8/21/2019 at 5:06 PM, BillS511 said:

I'd like to think LM has on many of their orbiting satellites the ability to take ultra high definition images of earth and mesh and apply this to their next sim platform.

LM makes satellites  but to my knowledge does not own any and license imagery from providers (Maxar) as MS does.

49 minutes ago, Lorby_SI said:

I don't know. GATR is an AI software solution to identify (military?) targets on satellite imagery. How is this relevant for a flightsim?

Maybe Microsoft owns satellites, maybe they don't. It is not like they couldn't afford some. But they definitely already have GIS databases and imagery of their own, free of any government or military entanglements. Why would they want to partner with anyone (and share the cake) when they can do everything in-house or with subsidiaries?

Best regards

 

Is GATR LM’s Azure 😁 ?

https://geoawesomeness.com/lockheed-martin-artificial-intelligence-model-satellite-imagery-analysis/

oooo - I wonder part of this new tech is in the next upcoming release.  Now I am even more curious.

😉

Edited August 24, 20196 yr by Skywolf

3 hours ago, domkle said:

Is GATR LM’s Azure 😁 ?

Sorry, but I don't understand. GATR is the acronym for "Global Automated Target Recognition". What does that have to do with anything regarding flight sims?

This on the other hand is "Azure":

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/free/ai/search/?&OCID=AID2000076_SEM_ZnBHzdlL&MarinID=ZnBHzdlL_367962792381_microsoft azure ai_e_c__84858963268_kwd-380651578258&lnkd=Google_Azure_Brand&dclid=CKan_szBm-QCFVk44Aodv54HqA

The GIS data handling application that is used for MSFS is just another flavor of Microsofts AI / machine learning services under the umbrella of "Azure". 

Edit: Oh, OK, I see. You are suggesting that Lockheed would do the same thing with P3D that Microsoft does with MSFS? I find that very hard to believe, at least in the short run. But why not. After observing carefully how it works out for MS... every new tech has pitfalls... from a business perspective it is better to let someone else find them first...

Best regards

Edited August 24, 20196 yr by Lorby_SI

15 minutes ago, Lorby_SI said:

Sorry, but I don't understand. GATR is the acronym for "Global Automated Target Recognition". What does that have to do with anything regarding flight sims?

This on the other hand is "Azure":

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/free/ai/search/?&OCID=AID2000076_SEM_ZnBHzdlL&MarinID=ZnBHzdlL_367962792381_microsoft azure ai_e_c__84858963268_kwd-380651578258&lnkd=Google_Azure_Brand&dclid=CKan_szBm-QCFVk44Aodv54HqA

The GIS data handling application that is used for MSFS is just another flavor of Microsofts AI / machine learning services under the umbrella of "Azure". 

Edit: Oh, OK, I see. You are suggesting that Lockheed would do the same thing with P3D that Microsoft does with MSFS? I find that very hard to believe. But why not.

Best regards

Of course GATR is not Azure (noted my smiley ?)  ! But P3D mothership has a high level self learning software able  to "identify characteristics of an object area or target with an accuracy of over 90%. " out of the Maxar imagery database. That reminds me of something...  It could be a formidable tool for the P3D team if they wanted to compete with the FS20 team"s Bing+Azure environment. There are many reasons  why it couldn't be done but P3D has the technical  means to do as well as MS.

And remember this thread is all about rumors 😄 ! 

25 minutes ago, domkle said:

Of course GATR is not Azure (noted my smiley ?)  ! But P3D mothership has a high level self learning software able  to "identify characteristics of an object area or target with an accuracy of over 90%. " out of the Maxar imagery database. That reminds me of something...  It could be a formidable tool for the P3D team if they wanted to compete with the FS20 team"s Bing+Azure environment. There are many reasons  why it couldn't be done but P3D has the technical  means to do as well as MS.

And remember this thread is all about rumors 😄 ! 

Sorry, I didn't "get it" at first. 

Sure, photo / real scenery is usually well liked in the professional world (although many professional customers are satisfied with a lot less too). The usual simulator solutions are hand crafted scenery areas of limited dimensions. Being able to offer this globally, while at the same time implementing the required level of detail, would be a big step for LM. But I think that the actual competition to beat are Presagis, Quantum3D or XVR.

Best regards

Edited August 24, 20196 yr by Lorby_SI

Well ESP and FSX are virtually identical. One for professional use and the other for entertainment. I'd be willing to beat that Prepar3D V5 (if its even called that) and MS 2020 are also identical. One for professional use and the other for entertainment. I'd also be willing to beat that Prepar3D V5 and MSFS 2020 will have quite the degree of backwards compatibility with FSX/P3D aircraft addons at least. Probably Airport stuff like FSDT KORD2. Stuff that is done or redone with the P3D V4.5 SDK.

Why do I think this? First of there was something in that original announcement video that caught my eye and I though Hmmm, That's FSX 2006! Something jarring. An immersion killer. That same something exist today in P3D V.5. I also find it hard to believe that this is something that microsoft have been working on for the required time to have ready one year after its announced when Lockheed have been planning and working on Prepar3D V5 for, I would imagine at least 4 years.

Remember when Dovetail where getting there hands on FSX and they where going to close a 4 year or so lead on LM and blow Prepar3D out of the water? Whahahahaha LOL, Get real!

Like Rob said:

17 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

best to think of Microsoft and Lockheed Martin as partners rather than competitors. 🙂

Nature abhors a vacuum. All speculation of course but I am willing to beat my dog's life on it!

Edited August 24, 20196 yr by Avidean