11 hours ago, jcomm said:

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Hey @Murmur - wake up! C'mon... we're getting there !!! At last !!!!

Yes I'm reasonably optimistic. From what we've seen so far, they seem to have done a nice job for world, weather and flight model, the 3 core aspects of a flight sim for me.

I'm waiting for the release version before I get overly hyped. Avoids disappointment.

A very philosophical thread... what will the future of flight simulation be?

11 minutes ago, rjetster1 said:

A very philosophical thread... what will the future of flight simulation be?

Depends...

In the military area I'd say DCS will grow in the next couple of year to become - if not already - the reference in combat flight simulation, probably with World coverage, as mentioned by Matt as one of their possible aims.

In the civil flight simulation area, I'd say MS FLIGHT SIMULATOR will be here to stay for the next decade, obfuscating the competition, with the exception of some specific / niche sims used only by a small community. 

Edited September 25, 20196 yr by jcomm

16 minutes ago, rjetster1 said:

A very philosophical thread... what will the future of flight simulation be?

It will be whatever people want it to be, full motion cockpits, playing on tablet (x-plane), multi monitor PC or Virtual Reality with Goggles.

I think most people here will be streaming to TV and playing on the couch with their Xbox controllers in their pyjamas 🤣

3 hours ago, jcomm said:

Depends...

In the military area I'd say DCS will grow in the next couple of year to become - if not already - the reference in combat flight simulation, probably with World coverage, as mentioned by Matt as one of their possible aims.

I dunno... I've never gotten into DCS because I'm more interested in the historical era of close combat with guns. My interest in combat sims starts with WW1 kites and ends with the Korean War and F-86 Sabres vs. MiGs. I also need a good singleplayer dynamic campaign to stay interested, not just a study sim. I have zero interest in multiplayer, due to time constraints.

There is room in this market for both modern and historical sims. I'm not thrilled with IL-2 dev's focus on the Russian Front lately, but I've heard the next big one from that studio might be WW2 Pacific Theater. I'd be all over that.
 

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In the civil flight simulation area, I'd say MS FLIGHT SIMULATOR will be here to stay for the next decade, obfuscating the competition, with the exception of some specific / niche sims used only by a small community.

Maybe, but it's way, way too early to tell. Lots of hopes and dreams being placed on the new sim here, which is understandable, but we don't know yet if MSFS will be a good platform for the "airliner environment" some people are looking for with PMDG-level study sims. Or even helicopters, for that matter. Let's see how it develops. I'm not making any predictions yet.

Edited September 26, 20196 yr by Paraffin

I'm thinking of doing CPU and motherboard refresh by years end. Almost want to wait to see the PC recommendations. Might be waiting awhile. 

4 hours ago, Paraffin said:

I dunno... I've never gotten into DCS because I'm more interested in the historical era of close combat with guns. My interest in combat sims starts with WW1 kites and ends with the Korean War and F-86 Sabres vs. MiGs. I also need a good singleplayer dynamic campaign to stay interested, not just a study sim. I have zero interest in multiplayer, due to time constraints.

There is room in this market for both modern and historical sims. I'm not thrilled with IL-2 dev's focus on the Russian Front lately, but I've heard the next big one from that studio might be WW2 Pacific Theater. I'd be all over that.
 

Maybe, but it's way, way too early to tell. Lots of hopes and dreams being placed on the new sim here, which is understandable, but we don't know yet if MSFS will be a good platform for the "airliner environment" some people are looking for with PMDG-level study sims. Or even helicopters, for that matter. Let's see how it develops. I'm not making any predictions yet.

I actually played them all, actually started playing combat sims in the early nineties with Chuck Yeager's Air Combat, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and others, ending in the Combat Flight Simulator Sceries and the initial release of IL2 ( by Oleg Maddox )

In 2008 I left flight simulation for a period of 4 years aprox., only returning due to MS FLIGHT, but as soon as it got it's fate, I moved to DCS ( was forced into it after playing the recently released P51d in another guy PC ), and was seriously impressed by the quality of it's flight model compared to either MSFS or XP... Later I got IL2 Cliffs of Dover, then IL2 BoS, and since I also like only the ww1 / ww2 era, I ended up playing IL2 a lot more than DCS. In DCS I enjoyed mostly the UH-1H and the P51d - BTW, I do not yet know if MS FLIGHT SIMULATOR will include rotaries at release time ( ? )...

But, an this was very unexpected for me, I ended up playing and really enjoying War Thunder, with it's Simulator Battles and Enduring Confrontations, only in the Air, with it's great graphics & performance like I could never get from any other flightsim. At least the Maps do not try to accurately resemble those of real WWs, and I feel ashamed of playing a game about something that is so negative about our human kind 😞

Regarding my hopes about MS FLIGHT SIMULATOR, what I do believe is that returning to the market after having left the way it did, MS has to be aiming at the ultimate possible offer, something that will simply put the competittion many steps behind, to never be caught up again, unless some Balmer-ness emerges...

Problem for me is that I have been enjoying so much the activity around me in my War Thunder battles that I fear feeling bored playing a civil sim again, unless it brings missions or other features ( like a nice ATC robot ) that can attract me and make me play for hours just like Flight Assignement ATP Rev D did 🙂

They ( MS ) are here to stay, and to show the route and lead for a good deal of the simming future IMO.

Edited September 26, 20196 yr by jcomm

8 hours ago, jcomm said:

In the civil flight simulation area, I'd say MS FLIGHT SIMULATOR will be here to stay for the next decade, obfuscating the competition, with the exception of some specific / niche sims used only by a small community. 

A lot depends on the flight model. After having experienced the way x-plane, aerofly and DCS are able to recreate the feel of flying, I'm not so sure if MSFS will have a similar advanced flight model. The spin video isn't exactly promising if you look at the unrealistic/impossible roll attitude.

24 minutes ago, FDEdev said:

A lot depends on the flight model. After having experienced the way x-plane, aerofly and DCS are able to recreate the feel of flying, I'm not so sure if MSFS will have a similar advanced flight model. The spin video isn't exactly promising if you look at the unrealistic/impossible roll attitude.

Yes, this will be a crucial issue for many.  But I don't really see alternatives.  XP is not an alternative for me for many reasons.   But there is hope still if they are addressing aerodynamics as a specific sub section of the discovery series.  This should tell us all we need to know.

6 hours ago, Paraffin said:

I dunno... I've never gotten into DCS because I'm more interested in the historical era of close combat with guns. My interest in combat sims starts with WW1 kites and ends with the Korean War and F-86 Sabres vs. MiGs. I also need a good singleplayer dynamic campaign to stay interested, not just a study sim. I have zero interest in multiplayer, due to time constraints.

What's stopping you from playing the offline campaigns most DCS modules have? There are also additional payware ones.
They are also working on the dynamic campaign. That will be interesting too.

1 hour ago, FDEdev said:

A lot depends on the flight model. After having experienced the way x-plane, aerofly and DCS are able to recreate the feel of flying, I'm not so sure if MSFS will have a similar advanced flight model. The spin video isn't exactly promising if you look at the unrealistic/impossible roll attitude.

Real soon we will all know a bit more about that 🙂

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Edited September 26, 20196 yr by FDEdev

28 minutes ago, FDEdev said:

Hm, I didn't see anything new in your link...

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