From what I’ve seen so far, 3rd party aircraft and possibly some airports are about all I’ll be interested in.

KRNT is interesting to see.  Is that level of detail expected at most airports?

If so - that’s honestly going to be more than sufficient for the vast vast majority of users.

3 minutes ago, irrics said:

KRNT is interesting to see.  Is that level of detail expected at most airports?

Was is photogrammetry or actually a custom modelled airport?. Being their local airport and the one they did the media event from, I'm guessing it had been fairly well polished up and possibly custom modelled, but I could be wrong.

 

I find the defensive reactions by some fascinating

12 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

 

I love what Microsoft are "planning" to do, it visually looks fantastic but my simulation experience is not based entirely on visuals.   Don't get wrong, I like my visuals, but that's just one small aspect of what flight "simulation" is about for me.

Cheers, Rob.

LOL...you did see the part about 1000 data points on the aircraft right?  You did see the 30 some odd layers of clouds or whatever, right?  Or was is 67...I can't remember.  The numbers have gotten so high, even I'm loosing count.  Weather to 650KM and scenery to the horizon.  Procedural driven elements....what else have I forgot.

Now, I too am still buying add-ons, but let's at least give credit where credit is due.  There's a lot more to the new sim than just those visuals like we've never seen before.

25 minutes ago, DavidP said:

I find the defensive reactions by some fascinating

It's always been this way, some folk are fiercely defensive of their sim of choice that you'd think they'd go to war for it.

It's actually quite fascinating that us simmers are amazed and excited by some features in the sim that have been in other games for years. Even DCS, IL2 etc seems to have better physics simulation than FSX/P3D, but nobody mentions it. What it shows is how far behind the current batch of sims are in terms of what modern hardware and engines can do, it's also quite scary when you realise just how much the other sims will have to do in order to catch up. I doubt LM are too concerned, but Laminar Research and iPacs with their small in comparison teams and resources must be feeling pretty stumped at the moment about how to beat down the monolith that is Microsoft, but fingers crossed from me they find a way.

7 minutes ago, tonywob said:

It's actually quite fascinating that us simmers are amazed and excited by some features in the sim that have been in other games for years.

I guess I will fall into that category. I don't use any other PC games, consoles or whatever, so I don't know what is possible these days.

Aside from Pacman or Space Invaders in a pub in the early '80's, I've only used Flight Sim for both pseudo training and entertainment since FS2 on a Commodore 64.

Edited October 6, 20196 yr by DavidP

1 hour ago, tonywob said:

Was is photogrammetry or actually a custom modelled airport?. Being their local airport and the one they did the media event from, I'm guessing it had been fairly well polished up and possibly custom modelled, but I could be wrong.

 

Great question. No idea, but it would be great to know. 

If they dressed it up manually, I’m a bit surprised they didn’t add some of the parked Boeing’s on both sides (normal new ones I mean, not stored MAX’s)

5 hours ago, n4gix said:

BTW, there are quite a few people for whom FS development is their primary source of income, and not simply a source of beer money...

A very small minority are full time and most of those folks are retired so it's really a hobby not a job to put the food on the table. You don't have college grads going into full time FS development, haha. Let's keep this real. Most of it is for beer money, and maybe wings too 😂

A different point of view. I’m not buying unless it’s something I must have. DCS Viper for example. Reason due to the current USD exchange rate. My Aussie dollar gets me 35  to 45 percent less than 5 years ago what with most developers seemingly charging USD for their add ons. Simmers not paid wages in USD will understand.

Cheers.

So three or four team of developers creating airports and updating them is just for pocket money, poll dancing at night to put food on the table then.

PS but for the third party`s Microsoft would have had nothing to come back to and would not have bothered.

Edited October 6, 20196 yr by rjfry

49 minutes ago, Greazer said:

You don't have college grads going into full time FS development, haha. Let's keep this real. Most of it is for beer money, and maybe wings too 😂

No again, not true at all.. e.g. Orbx have taken on several full-time college grads to do FS development over the past few months with more starting. As I stated earlier, it is a full-time job for a lot of people and perhaps you are highly underestimating just how much work is involved.

28 minutes ago, tonywob said:

Orbx have taken on several full-time college grads to do FS development over the past few months with more starting. 

Again, as I said this is the small minority and most are doing side projects to supplement their retirement money. It's a hobby.  If you ever go to the flight sim Expo and talk to people you would know.

 

I've not even made the jump to p3d4 yet, so was definitely not going to buy any more addons prior to seeing FS2020, only to see Eaglesoft say their 560 will be out early November.

 

Just one more then 😉

 

It would certainly be easier to keep buying addons when an 'upgrade/cross-grade' path to the new sim could be shown, but maybe this will happen once the SDK is available and 3rd party developers gain insight into what work is involved in converting of what they have to the new 'world/format'.

There are companies now, where I feel confident, that I will not have to pay 100% for an upgrade/cross-grade (e.g. Aerosoft) and there are others, where I once was confident about that, but they have recently even removed such an option for doing this between existing sims.

1 hour ago, Greazer said:

Again, as I said this is the small minority and most are doing side projects to supplement their retirement money. It's a hobby.  If you ever go to the flight sim Expo and talk to people you would know.

Aerosoft. Just Flight . PMDG .Milvis . Flight Beam. ORBX . UK2000 . iFLY . FlyTampa . 29Palms . LLH Creation. Quality Wings .Carenado . Flight Sim Labs . just a few I could go on which are part timers you pick