That's a ridiculous statement. The human sneeze can travel far further. Unless you are I involved in this personally,  then you know nothing except what the media tells you. Please use common sense. 

Here is an Aviation Related Covid-19 Story...Fox Glacier pilot flies self-isolation rule-breaking tourists straight to police

Good on him 😎

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/03/fox-glacier-pilot-flies-self-isolation-rule-breaking-tourists-straight-to-police.html

3 hours ago, 188AHC said:

That's a ridiculous statement. The human sneeze can travel far further. Unless you are I involved in this personally,  then you know nothing except what the media tells you. Please use common sense. 

Or you can go right to the source and hear from people that are actually knowledgeable:

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Close contact is defined as:

a) being within approximately 6 feet (2 meters) of a COVID-19 case for a prolonged period of time; close contact can occur while caring for, living with, visiting, or sharing a healthcare waiting area or room with a COVID-19 case

– or –

b) having direct contact with infectious secretions of a COVID-19 case (e.g., being coughed on)

Social distancing means remaining out of congregate settings, avoiding mass gatherings, and maintaining distance (approximately 6 feet or 2 meters) from others when possible.

The six foot distance is based on the transmission of aerosolized virus through the sneeze.  Six feet is how far the particles travel. Other stuff you sneeze may travel farther but it's the virus that matters.

 

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by Alan_A

The number of people who know more and better than the recommendations of CDC, the WHO etc. is frightening. Again thank you @Alan_A for the references. Your posts are a civic service to the community. 

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by domkle

12 hours ago, KevinAu said:

Again, the mask is not about protecting yourself. It is to keep infected people from spraying the virus out. The infections in china happened before the disease noticed and the alarm sounded. Before everybody dusted off their masks and quarantines placed.

The resistance to and misunderstanding of this does not bode well for us.

 

Nope... it's also beneficial in avoiding being infected yourself... IF you are in close contact with infected people. Read the quote I posted. Out and about wandering the streets, not so much.

 

"So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask"

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by martin-w

5 hours ago, 188AHC said:

That's a ridiculous statement. The human sneeze can travel far further. Unless you are I involved in this personally,  then you know nothing except what the media tells you. Please use common sense. 

 

Actually they tested this on Myth Busters years ago. They arent scientists of course, just a TV show. But the droplets they tracked in slow motion traveled an astonishing distance.

If you look toward a window with the sun streaming in, you can see how particles float in the air. One "expert" used this as an analogy for how microscopic virus particles behave.

It`s also not just the old that are at risk young people are getting it, and some are saying if you think it just a flu forget it they were floored by it and hospitalised, and reports of a baby just a year old diagnosed with Covid-19 in the UK.

32 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

It`s also not just the old that are at risk young people are getting it, and some are saying if you think it just a flu forget it they were floored by it and hospitalised, and reports of a baby just a year old diagnosed with Covid-19 in the UK.

Bloomberg "New evidence from Europe and the U.S. suggests that younger adults aren’t as impervious to the novel coronavirus that’s circulating worldwide as originally thought"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/coronavirus-in-young-people-is-it-dangerous-data-show-it-can-be

 

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

 

Nope... it's also beneficial in avoiding being infected yourself... IF you are in close contact with infected people. Read the quote I posted. Out and about wandering the streets, not so much.

 

"So masks are crucial for health and social care workers looking after patients and are also recommended for family members who need to care for someone who is ill – ideally both the patient and carer should have a mask"

And that’s great that a proper mask can stop the wearer from catching it. Not arguing with you about that. But the more important aspect for a pandemic situation is that the widespread use of even a loose fitting surgical mask can help stop the pandemic.

Take a crowd of 100 people in a room. 25 wear masks, 75 do not. One of the 75 has the coronavirus. The disease will run rampant in that crowd. Even the 25 wearing masks will probably eventually catch it since they are surrounded by it. The disease spreads like wildfire and the economy crashes.

Take a crowd of 100 people in a room. 25 do not wear a mask, 75 do. One of the 75 has the coronavirus. The mask stops him from spreading it. The crowd of mask wearers are safe because his mask limits his ability to spread it and their masks help reduce the chances of catching it. Even the 25 non wearers are safer because they are surrounded by mask wearers who do not spread it to them. The disease dies. People in that room can carry on their normal lives and the economy carries on as normal.

They figured this out in Asia years ago. But Americans do not accept this. Therefore America is doomed to a great depression unless they smarten up.

15 minutes ago, KevinAu said:

Therefore America is doomed to a great depression unless they smarten up.

You may see the world go into recession that`s the worrying thing 6 months from now launching a product may be a bad time.  

1 hour ago, KevinAu said:

And that’s great that a proper mask can stop the wearer from catching it. Not arguing with you about that. But the more important aspect for a pandemic situation is that the widespread use of even a loose fitting surgical mask can help stop the pandemic.

Take a crowd of 100 people in a room. 25 wear masks, 75 do not. One of the 75 has the coronavirus. The disease will run rampant in that crowd. Even the 25 wearing masks will probably eventually catch it since they are surrounded by it. The disease spreads like wildfire and the economy crashes.

Take a crowd of 100 people in a room. 25 do not wear a mask, 75 do. One of the 75 has the coronavirus. The mask stops him from spreading it. The crowd of mask wearers are safe because his mask limits his ability to spread it and their masks help reduce the chances of catching it. Even the 25 non wearers are safer because they are surrounded by mask wearers who do not spread it to them. The disease dies. People in that room can carry on their normal lives and the economy carries on as normal.

They figured this out in Asia years ago. But Americans do not accept this. Therefore America is doomed to a great depression unless they smarten up.

This is not about America, Asia, or Europe. By the way, there is much to say about how the Chinese communist government handled the matter in Wuhan. Ugly things. 

The national and international health organisations have defined standards and recommended practices to fight viruses. They cover masks and respirators. They are the fruit of the endless work of highly qualified people, bio-scientists and bio-engineers over tens of years.

 I will take their recommendations over any armchair epidemiologist's. if your recommendations come from theses standards and practices, please reference them clearly. If not, please, state the qualification you have in the field of virus epidemiology.  

About the recession. We will have one in any case. Strong and hopefully short.

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by domkle

UK National Lottery closing advance pay to play for the Euromillions play from next month due to the present circumstances ????  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51980881

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by G-RFRY

1 hour ago, domkle said:

This is not about America, Asia, or Europe. By the way, there is much to say about how the Chinese communist government handled the matter in Wuhan. Ugly things. 

The national and international health organisations have defined standards and recommended practices to fight viruses. They cover masks and respirators. They are the fruit of the endless work of highly qualified people, bio-scientists and bio-engineers over tens of years.

 I will take their recommendations over any armchair epidemiologist. if your recommendations come from theses standards and practices, please reference them clearly. If not, please, state the qualification you have in the field of virus epidemiology.  

About the recession. We will have one in any case. Strong and hopefully short.

I’m looking at South Korea. They’re not communist and they handled it correctly. And what millions of asians wear on their face under government order, born from the fruit of endless highly qualified people should not be dismissed. Compared to here, where recommendations from ‘experts’ are openly dismissed and disdained by the highest levels of federal government. You may resort to dismissing me on a personal basis, but before you completely cease looking with your two eyes and thinking with your one brain and hand all of those functions to your government, just understand that even the cdc’s and who’s recommendations are influenced by concerns other than strictly health and will change often depending on circumstances unrelated to strictly health. For example, if you thought your only option was a properly fitted N95 mask to protect yourself, think again. Your scarf will just have to do if all else fails. Could you even imagine that recommendation last week? So what makes you think that what the cdc is telling you at this moment is the last word and the be all to end all? Scroll to the end of that link, they just made a recommendation on scarves. Look around. Listen. Learn. Think. Our government is not. Hope is not a strategy. That was the government’s strategy. Our outcome in America will be disastrous unless we change or we spend trillions and trillions on bailouts.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/face-masks.html

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by KevinAu

I didn't dismiss you. I asked you to give the sources of your recommendations and your qualifications in bio-protection.

1 hour ago, domkle said:

I will take their recommendations over any armchair epidemiologist. if your recommendations come from theses standards and practices, please reference them clearly. If not, please, state the qualification you have in the field of virus epidemiology.  

No, you did not just ‘ask’. You dismissed me by calling me an ‘armchair’ whatever. Then you asked. My only qualification is that I read, I look, I listen, I accept, and I think. I never asked you what you ‘are’ and won’t and do not care. We are equals here and present our points and arguments on their own merits and logic. If you find a hole in my logic or argument, then present it. And let me defend it or acquiesce. I’ve never dismissed anybody here as an ‘armchair’ whatever. That kind of arrogance is not for me. I’ve only spoken of my credentials on a topic if directly challenged and if it is relevant.

I have a relative in Wuhan who died from this virus during the summer. Not everything the governments tell you is true or complete.

Ok, here’s an ‘expert’. Read what the head of the fda has to say.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/masks-respirators-and-coronavirus-catching-up-to-the-changing-advice-222618518.html

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by KevinAu