On 3/11/2020 at 2:21 PM, Greggy_D said:

I'm not modifying my life for a media-driven hoax.

Now how even sillier do you feel? 

30 minutes ago, Doug47 said:

Now how even sillier do you feel? 

I would reconsider this type of behavior, things are changing rapidly on a day to day basis for everyone, i think kindness is the better approach at this time compared to making someone eat their words from 10 days ago. 

Remember people are now losing jobs and making contingencies, everyone is learning from this

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by Matthew Kane

7 minutes ago, Matthew Kane said:

I would reconsider this type of behavior, things are changing rapidly on a day to day basis for everyone, i think kindness is the better approach at this time compared to making someone eat their words from 10 days ago. 

Remember people are now losing jobs and making contingencies, everyone is learning from this

True, but it was and is the above attitude that has got us into this mess in the first place. 
 

Time to accept responsibility me thinks. 

Just checking some of the store here and a lot products are out.  Huge lines before the stores are open.  Was talking to a friend who works at Target and stuff sold out within minutes.  Theft is way up he tells me.  Lack of income will cause a lot of this stuff.

3 hours ago, Alan_A said:

Still more.

This is truly frightening.

 

EDIT: And another resource here, that updates regularly.  Have a look at all that red in Florida, and think of all those spring break kids heading home. Disclaimer - the data isn't said to be specific to COVID-19.  But tracking it along with the data in the graph above... well.... you get the picture.

In all, I've seen better news.

EDIT 2: And yet another information resource.

Maybe time to use log curves not to frighten too much Grand Ma 😉? We see in the US what we have seen elsewhere. We are not close to the time when the pandemic  eats itself out…  

What makes me a little angry is that, about 20 year ago,  I dealt a bit about countering NRBC attacks. A lot of procedures and stocks of necessities were recommended. It seems that along the years, complacency and budgetary cuts made our political masters forget the dire nature of these threats. This is of course not an human attack this time, just Nature as it has always been. Harsh, unforgiving.

In France we were caught with our pants down, i.e. with almost no reserve of FFP2 and surgical masks (I am not against masks, just again any kind of masks). And France is no exception, it is same everywhere. in 2011 a genius in the government took the decision to phase out the stocks. 

 

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by domkle

It`s not just food supply chains are being hit, my daughter works in I.T dept and to get staff help to work from home she has to setup laptops but theirs a limit now on how many you can order 5, As the supply chain from Asia is affected.  

PS facemask will not stop you getting the virus eyes are a main area also, hence the warning from health service DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE, it is now thought to be the fastest way into your body hands to face to infection.     

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by G-RFRY

4 hours ago, Doug47 said:

True, but it was and is the above attitude that has got us into this mess in the first place. 
 

Time to accept responsibility me thinks. 

i saw exactly the same thing happen here in germany, we acting in contrast to the asian countries like a third world country, alot things will change in the future.

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by Nedo68

1 hour ago, G-RFRY said:

 

PS facemask will not stop you getting the virus eyes are a main area also, hence the warning from health service DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE, it is now thought to be the fastest way into your body hands to face to infection.     

 

In the video I posted back at the beginning of this topic, Michael Osterholm, an internationally recognised expert in infectious disease epidemiology, claimed that infection via mucus membranes, eyes, nose, isn't that likely. 

43:13 in video. He claims the data suggesting this virus is transmitted that way is very weak. 

 

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Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by martin-w

The problem stems from in a democracy people do not like being told what to do and will push back, the young all this fuss over a flu now it`s I have lost my job this is series. 

35 minutes ago, Nedo68 said:

i saw exactly the same thing happen here in germany, we acting in contrast to the asian countries like a third world country, alot things will change in the future.

I don't mean offence in what we will say.

Honestly, these comparisons with Asia don't make sense IMHO.  

These folks are as different from one culture to other as we are. An Italian is different from  a German (even if Northern Italy was populated by Germanic tribes 😄), a French from a Swede, a Spaniard from a Scott etc. A Korean is not a Chinese, a Vietnamese is not a Punjabi, a Thai is not a Japanese.   Their attitude towards social order is very different from one culture to the others as ours. And you will find in some of these culture s, the same anarchistic strains we see in our countries (France !). In some others, an utter respect for social order that I find disturbing. 

What I want to say is, stop the auto-flagellation. We have to fight the stupid tendency of many to discard the dangerosity of the pandemic of course, we can also, nay we have to see and learn when others do better than us. But we are not worse, we should be proud to be societies of liberty with their  inherent difficulty to adapt to new constraints.

PS  I lived almost 10 years in three South Asian and Far East countries.

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by domkle

You are right, each culture is different. It is definitely easier to achieve collective action in asia than in the west. Unfortunately, viruses do not care, it will take advantage of those differences. It will spread like wildfire in a culture that insists on planting kisses on each cheek for every greeting. We can choose to learn and adapt or we can choose to refuse to learn and adapt to a world with this virus. The result of refusal can be seen in italy. Pride often turns out to be stupidity in hindsight. What you call self flagellation may very well be self awareness. When change is needed, we need the persistent vox clamantis in deserto. Or else we will never change.

6 minutes ago, KevinAu said:

When change is needed, we need the persistent vox clamantis in deserto. Or else we will never change.

we need to learn fast,

Stephen Hawking famously said, 'Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change”

47 minutes ago, Nedo68 said:

 alot things will change in the future.

It`s always been easier to predict how things are going to change than to foresee how they will continue. Our own ancient brains are designed to make us believe that we are better than we were yesterday; that we are better than we are today; and that we'll be better tomorrow.    

12 hours ago, domkle said:

What makes me a little angry is that, about 20 year ago,  I dealt a bit about countering NRBC attacks. A lot of procedures and stocks of necessities were recommended. It seems that along the years, complacency and budgetary cuts made our political masters forget the dire nature of these threats. This is of course not an human attack this time, just Nature as it has always been. Harsh, unforgiving.

In France we were caught with our pants down, i.e. with almost no reserve of FFP2 and surgical masks (I am not against masks, just again any kind of masks). And France is no exception, it is same everywhere. in 2011 a genius in the government took the decision to phase out the stocks. 

It seems that, as a species, we're much better at mobilizing against present threats than anticipating future ones.

Not that our present mobilization is particularly good, to put it mildly.  But the failure to plan and the warnings ignored... that's in an entirely different category.

Some of the HIV work I did was on prevention programs.  My brother-in-law is a social psychologist and worked on HIV prevention as well.  What I remember, mainly, is how fantastically difficult it was to get people to pay attention to something that was life threatening, but abstract and far in the future. 

Sort of like today.

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by Alan_A

1 hour ago, Alan_A said:

It seems that, as a species, we're much better at mobilizing against present threats than anticipating future ones.

Not that our present mobilization is particularly good, to put it mildly.  But the failure to plan and the warnings ignored... that's in an entirely different category.

Some of the HIV work I did was on prevention programs.  My brother-in-law is a social psychologist and worked on HIV prevention as well.  What I remember, mainly, is how fantastically difficult it was to get people to pay attention to something that was life threatening, but abstract and far in the future. 

Sort of like today.

Yep. Reminds me of my cousin who gave me flying lessons when I was 17. He told me to always stay way ahead of the airplane. If the airplane gets ahead of you you're in trouble. I tried to apply that concept to life in general and on the whole it served me well.

In my work life it would drive me mad how reactive instead of proactive most management would be. They would ignore problems most front line workers could see coming way off.