2 hours ago, W2DR said:

If you really believe that I have a bridge I want to sell to you.

No, I don't believe that at all. Just quoting our fearless leader.

54 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

Nope, it's not a no-brainier... don't forget, we are allowed to go out to exercise once per day. And there's no limit to the size of the group if its one family. So they simply say they are out exercising whether they are or not. The government are defining exercising as walking, running, cycling. 

I was referring to the people I had seen with toddlers in their arms, kids in prams, carry harnesses etc which I mentioned in my previous post, and that is a no brainer that they are not out exercising, since what exercise is a child being carried in a harness, or pushed in a pram getting?

Not to mention that to be of use, exercise has to be at a fairly reasonable pace, not people meandering along and stopping to chat to people, as the ones I saw were doing. They quite clearly were ignoring the request to limit contact with others and you didn't exactly need to be Hercule Poirot to work that one out.

 

Edited March 24, 20206 yr by Chock

11 minutes ago, Reader said:

I was a "plod" (thanks Chock, you should try it)

I've no wish to, I know what a thankless task it is and I couldn't do it. People complain about the police frequently, until they are in trouble and need help, then they're the second coming when you suddenly need them.

One of the heroes of our times is, in my humble opinion, Nathan Sharanski. Hero for all freedom loving people. In 2006, the President of the United States awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. A mathematician, he was jailed for 9 years in the Soviet Union, half of it in solitary confinement. He knows a word or two about quarantine.  He recently made a video on You Tube to give 5 tips on how to keep one's sanity.

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 20206 yr by domkle

1 hour ago, goates said:

Maybe give the cops flame throwers? That should be a pretty good deterrent, while still allowing for keeping a safe distance.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/we-will-send-police-with-flame-throwers-italian-mayors-lose-it-at-people-refusing-to-self-isolate

I doubt he meant it. Just pure frustration with people behaving like idiots. And given the death toll in Italy that is surprising.

1 hour ago, fluffyflops said:

I'll laugh my pants off if the house of Lords don't agree to the legislation on Thurs.  In theory the rozzers can't fine you until it's passed on Thurs 

I think we both know the answer to that one. 😉

On 3/19/2020 at 1:32 PM, birdguy said:

I'm 86 years old.  We have about 24 cases in New Mexico. That leaves 1,999,976 who are suspects.  In my city we are over 200 miles from the closest case.  Yet we are acting like everyone we see when we are out and about is infected and should be avoided. I'm not staying at home.  I went to the supermarket.  I talked to the people in the checkout line.  Few of us are wearing masks.  Some of us might come down with it.  But not many overall.  Your chances of getting hit by a drunk or texting driver are greater than contracting the virus.

24 cases on the 19th of March. Per the governor of New Mexico the number today (24March, 2020) is 83. Over 300% in 5 days. If the statistics you're quoting were amassed before January, 2020, they are outdated because Covid-19 is not included.

Yes, testing has increased so the number of positives will also increase. But before the testing they were, like you, going to the grocery and interacting with other people. No way to tell how many others they infected before their quarantine.

Currently more than 50% of the people testing positive are not showing signs of the virus. (CNBC)

1 hour ago, Chock said:

I was referring to the people I had seen with toddlers in their arms, kids in prams, carry harnesses etc which I mentioned in my previous post, and that is a no brainer that they are not out exercising, since what exercise is a child being carried in a harness, or pushed in a pram getting?

 

Yep, that is defined as exercise. If you are stuck at home with a kid, no child care then you exercise with the child. Which means all the paraphernalia comes too. Exercise doesn't mean jogging in  track suite, any physical activity is defined as exercise. Going for walk, whether its with child in a pushchair or not, is exercise. It might not be intense exercise but its exercise. You cant fine people on that basis. 

 

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what exercise is a child being carried in a harness, or pushed in a pram getting?

 

None. But the parent is. 

 

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Not to mention that to be of use, exercise has to be at a fairly reasonable pace, not people meandering along and stopping to chat to people, as the ones I saw were doing. They quite clearly were ignoring the request to limit contact with others and you didn't exactly need to be Hercule Poirot to work that one out.

 

I agree, they might well be being disingenuous and using "exercise" as an excuse to get out, that was my point. But the government haven't issued a directive in regard to the intensity of activity that is defined as exercise. 

They have said "walk" for exercise, thus defining walking as exercise. 

Pushing a child in a pushchair may not stimulate muscular hypertrophy or a reasonable degree of aerobic conditioning, but its still exercise, its still activity. And of course, it would be a bit silly if the government started issuing instructions as to the degree of intensity you must be exercising at. 

For example, I have a back injury. Now there was a time when just a slow stroll was optimal for me. Beneficial for my back. Exercise doesn't have to be beneficial in an aerobic or anaerobic sense. Sun exposure too, for vitamin D. 

 

Edited March 24, 20206 yr by martin-w

There is nothing stopping a couple from exercising one at a time if they insist on doing it by going for a walk, whilst the other minds the child. A new born child will have little in the way of immunity and it's therefore not a great idea to be unnecessarily exposing the youngster to a potential infection, and this of course also assumes that neither parent picks something up whilst out and takes it back to the kid anyway.

You can do exercises in your house, sit ups, pull ups, stretches, tai chi etc. I do that every day. Yes it's nice to go out for a walk, but it's also nice to think about others and not go out unnecessarily, which is what we've been asked to do anyway for a very good reason.

 

50 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I doubt he meant it. Just pure frustration with people behaving like idiots.

I realize it was said in frustration. Just thought it would be an amusing way to encourage people to stay inside. 😊

8 minutes ago, goates said:

I realize it was said in frustration. Just thought it would be an amusing way to encourage people to stay inside. 😊

They’d only have to do it once for the message to get across. 😁

My late brother was married to an Italian girl so I get the Latin temperament thing. When annoyed she would shout at 120dB with much arm waving. Worst thing you could do was laugh but it was funny. 😁

10 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

They’d only have to do it once for the message to get across. 😁

Stories today about groups of yobs deliberately spitting at police. While they might not be able to use the flame thrower, it seems perfectly reasonable to Taser one or two of them, As you say, it would get the message accross. Although it would upset the liberal left.

6 minutes ago, Biggles2010 said:

Although it would upset the liberal left.

Not to step across Avsim's limits about political discussion, but.... speaking as a member of the liberal left - no, it wouldn't.

3 minutes ago, Alan_A said:

Not to step across Avsim's limits about political discussion, but.... speaking as a member of the liberal left - no, it wouldn't.

That's encouraging.

In the UK that expression is often used to describe an attitude to life, and not necessarily a party political view. I won't try to compare with the US in case it would become political.

1 minute ago, Biggles2010 said:

often used to describe an attitude to life, and not necessarily a party political view

Well, that distinction might apply here, too - but agreed, let's stay clear of the political.

All I'll say is... I live just outside of Washington, DC, and last week was peak blossom for the cherry trees down by the Tidal Basin, which is a major tourist attraction.  Last Friday it was a mob scene down there - people jamming the walkways to go have a look.  Starting Saturday, they had the police come in and close off all the surrounding roads so no one could get in.

If they'd used a taser or two here and there, a lot of people all across the political/cultural spectrum would have been fine with it.

8 hours ago, martin-w said:

On a more positive note, I'm now in possession of the rarest of commodities. NINE rolls of toilet paper. 

On another bright note, I too am now in possession of a more than sufficient supply of TP. Even Amazon was out of stock. My handyman managed to buy a case of 80 rolls at a commercial supply store for $85 and dropped off six rolls for me. Later yesterday he bought me an 18 roll pack of Charmin Ultrasoft.

Indiana's Governor issued a 'stay at home' order last Friday. I just checked a state map with current Covid-19 confirmed cases and deaths. Lake county, in the far northwest corner of the state, now has 17 confirmed cases and 0 deaths. Statewide there are 365 confirmed and 12 deaths. I suspect the cases in my county came from the Chicagoland area of Illinois as about 1/4th of the residents work in Illinois.

The true number of infected I believe is much higher statewide, since only 2,931 persons have been tested so far.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that as far as compliance in Lake County is concerned, my home is on a rather busy east/west street. I note that the traffic is way down. I'm seeing an average of less than 2 cars/hour passing by, and many of those are Hammond Police doing their rounds.