1 hour ago, bonchie said:

I don’t care what the fuzzy clouds look like. 95% of that video looks like FSX.

And yes, FSW with its new clouds still looked almost exactly like FSX.

I used to defend P3D to the death but I’m done. I’m done being strung along by claims of massive backend changes that change little about the actual gameplay or graphics. I’m done paying to “upgrade” every year for what are small incremental changes at best. I was willing to give P3Dv5 a chance but this release is worst case for me. They did nothing revolutionary at all. Not even a little bit.
 

If MSFS is all a big scam, then I just won’t sim anymore. But I’m done with P3D, spending crazy amounts on addons that should already be default by in 2020, and still having a sim that looks, feels, and operates like its from 2006.

"I'm done with windows 10 all the forced updates screwing my system up Microsoft spying", "if they ever bring a flight sim out again can we trust them", Sorry guys could not resist that I have lost count over the years how bad Microsoft are according to most of the forums post. 

Edited April 9, 20206 yr by G-RFRY

19 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

"I'm done with windows 10 all the forced updates screwing my system up Microsoft spying", "if they ever bring a flight sim out again can we trust them", Sorry guys could not resist that I have lost count over the years how bad Microsoft are according to most of the forums post. 

True, but my threat isn't idle. I've already stopped simming for the last 4 months.

I'm also a pilot in real life, so I can live without it. When simming enters this decade (and MSFS promises to do that), I'll return to the hobby.

43 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

"I'm done with windows 10 all the forced updates screwing my system up Microsoft spying", "if they ever bring a flight sim out again can we trust them", Sorry guys could not resist that I have lost count over the years how bad Microsoft are according to most of the forums post. 

To be fair they screwed up a lot during the Games for Windows Live era, but they have made massive improvements in their gaming division since then, the resurrection of Flight Simulator being one of them.

1 hour ago, bonchie said:

True, but my threat isn't idle. I've already stopped simming for the last 4 months.

Me too. Just too many compromises and throwing good money after bad with P3D. You play another game from the past 10 years and it runs smooth as silk and looks ten times better than even souped-up P3D, and it’s just harder and harder to go back.

Like you, I look forward to MSFS. If it’s a disappointment, I guess I’ll just have a lot more free time without simming.

James

I was (and probably still is) really excited about Prepar3D V5... but with all this developer-bashing, presumptuous claims and negativity in here, I think I'll steer clear of AVSIM for the time being...  

It's sad to witness, to be honest... 😞

16 hours ago, David Mills said:

Those of you saying that V5 doubles the frame rate of V4 are comparing a bare-bones V5 with a V4 larded down with clunky add-ons. Once V5 is larded down with clunky add-ons, you'll be very lucky to get the FPS you're currently getting from V4. Bare-bones, I get about 90 FPS with V4. With all my add-ons, I get about 45. So you need to compare clunkers to clunkers. I'm MSFS2020 all the way now!

Not even true. Both FSDT and FlyTampa tested with addons in demanding scenarios and are both seeing significant boosts in FPS and beta members are supporting that as well. Unless you're in the v5 beta team yourself you don't even have any real basis to tell what kind of FPS we'll be getting in v5 with addons.

This overly negative downplaying of everything while ignoring evidence and stating assumptions as facts is annoying enough in almost any MSFS discussion. Now this is happening with P3D as well. First everything was bad about MSFS and P3D so much better, now P3D is bad.

Besides, you can't compare P3D v5 and MSFS; MSFS still seems to be in a whole other league, so perhaps it would be more comfortable to have discussions about v5 without this comparison. P3D v5 is an evolution of the P3D franchise, not a revolution of the whole hobby of flight simming.

Edited April 9, 20206 yr by threegreen
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30 minutes ago, anden145 said:

I was (and probably still is) really excited about Prepar3D V5...

I hope you will not let others' opinions temper your excitement. If you feel excited for the new Prepar3D, that's great, and as I said there could still be a lot to like about v5, especially for someone who has invested a lot in add-ons that will be upgraded for the new version, with many of them for free it seems.

I don't know what the reception is in the respective Prepar3D forum, but it would be reasonable to expect negativity in here. After all, this reveal pales in comparison to another reveal which was 10 months ago, making this one feel obsolete and too late. I know I would have been excited for v5 if it weren't for that, but now we truly know how much flight simulation products have stagnated and that all this innovation could have been brought earlier.

On the bright side, this year the three dominant flight simulation platforms are all receiving big upgrades that were overdue. This time last year the situation was looking a lot more bleak. We should all be happy.

2 hours ago, bonchie said:

True, but my threat isn't idle. I've already stopped simming for the last 4 months.

I'm also a pilot in real life, so I can live without it. When simming enters this decade (and MSFS promises to do that), I'll return to the hobby.

I love these posts. Self-importance. Do you think it makes a difference to anyone that "you've already stopped simming"? Nope.
 

v.4.5 is awesome. I have a decent amount of addon scenery, and SkyForce and EnvironmentForce, and as a fellow real-life pilot, it's fantastic. With my 8700k and 1080, I just flip it on and go. No fussing with it anymore, like when you used to spend 4 hours fiddling with settings for every hour you spent flying. It's fantastic. Anyone who wants to sit around with their thumb up their hindquarters waiting for MSFS to save the flight simming world, be my guest. I'm too busy flying 4.5 to care.  

 

 

Edited April 9, 20206 yr by mtr75

16 minutes ago, threegreen said:

Not even true. Both FSDT and FlyTampa tested with addons in demanding scenarios and are both seeing significant boosts in FPS and beta members are supporting that as well.

I'm sure that there is some performance boost. But the improvement is likely to be quite variable depending on the hardware, the IQ settings and the number/type of third party add-ons installed. Besides, as others here have already stated, any time that a base sim's performance is improved, third party developers and users rush to take advantage of that and much of the performance increase is lost. 

These hypothetical discussions are always fraught with uncertainty. They remind me of similar topics that compare performance between sims, without taking into account IQ settings and add-ons. Until I loaded up XP11 with a decent weather add-on, a realistic ATC add-on, AI traffic and a lot of airports, it ran circles around P3d 4.5. With all that added, pre-Vulkan XP11 performs no better than P3d 4.5

Edited April 9, 20206 yr by jabloomf1230

21 minutes ago, threegreen said:

Not even true. Both FSDT and FlyTampa tested with addons in demanding scenarios and are both seeing significant boosts in FPS and beta members are supporting that as well. Unless you're in the v5 beta team yourself you don't even have any real basis to tell what kind of FPS we'll be getting in v5 with addons.

This overly negative downplaying of everything while ignoring evidence and stating assumptions as facts is annoying enough in almost any MSFS discussion. Now this is happening with P3D as well. First everything was bad about MSFS and P3D so much better, now P3D is bad.

Besides, you can't compare P3D v5 and MSFS; MSFS still seems to be in a whole other league, so perhaps it would be more comfortable to have discussions about v5 without this comparison. P3D v5 is an evolution of the P3D franchise, not a revolution of the whole hobby of flight simming.

Well this topic was posted in a MSFS forum. It's only natural that P3D criticism and comparisons will be received? 

7 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

I'm sure that there is some performance boost. But the improvement is likely to be quite variable depending on the hardware, the IQ settings and the number/type of third party add-ons installed. Besides, as others here have already stated, any time that a base sim's performance is improved, third party developers and users rush to take advantage of that and much of the performance increase is lost. 

These hypothetical discussions are always fraught with uncertainty. They remind me of similar topics that compare performance between sims, without taking into account IQ settings and add-ons. Until I loaded up XP11 with a decent weather add-on, a realistic ATC add-on, AI traffic and a lot of airports, it ran circles around P3d 4.5. With all that added, pre-Vulkan XP11 performs no better than P3d 4.5

No doubt you will be able to kill the performance increase with high settings and tons of addons. But DX12 really is quite a big deal for P3D and for years people wanted just that. Now it's here but the reception seems like no one even cares. Of course MSFS is a reason for this, but that still doesn't mean P3D isn't evolving in any meaningful way because, as I said, I don't think the comparison between P3D v5 and MSFS works. I'm most likely going to switch to MSFS and probably even soon after release if not on release day, but I'm still pretty excited about v5 in the meantime. I guess that's because I didn't expect an MSFS 2.0.

Besides, v5 is just 5.0. There are more things to come. But even then I fully expect MSFS to be the winner. We'll see.

6 minutes ago, Chrism6285 said:

Well this topic was posted in a MSFS forum. It's only natural that P3D criticism and comparisons will be received? 

I think the forum here isn't the right one, this should be in the Prepar3D forum. And I guess that's further contributing to the comparisons. But I think people should see v5 for what it is and not as an MSFS competitor. I would assume that way the negativity will decrease as well.

After careful consideration for what it's worth, what I'm planning on doing is,

As someone who signed up on day one to the Insider program, I'll hopefully gain access to the Tech Alpha sooner rather than later, then i'll be able to assess the true capabilities of MSFS (I know it's still in an Alpha state and it is going to get better). I have not ruled out getting P3D v5 yet, but if I do get in the Tech Alpha and it blows my socks off (which in my opinion is quite likely), i'll just wait and keep my money for future MSFS addons and wait for the full release of MSFS. If I don't get access to the Tech Alpha i'll probably get P3D v5 and it will fill the void in a Simming sense, however with the current economic/medical situation i'll have to be prudent in any unnecessary spend going forward.

25 minutes ago, threegreen said:

Now it's here but the reception seems like no one even cares.

For the same reason that it seems like no one in the P3d forum cares about the Xplane update.

I mean, you don't go onto a Honda board and ask why no one's talking about the Corvette. 😉

 

Well I', happy that we have two sims that we can fly. Few years ago it look like we were stuck with just MSFS so lets be grateful we have options.