23 hours ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

I know people are being sensitive about "over-hyping" MSFS2020, but honestly, I log in to either of my sims (xplane 11 or p3d), and just sit there. I might do a short circuit, and then log out again in frustration. The sims themselves are superb, of course, and I have enjoyed them to bits, but right now I end up watching replays of the new sim on my TV and find that ultimately more enjoyable than flying in my old sims. Anyone else feel this way? 

Quite frankly, flying flight simulators quickly becomes boring quickly for me, and yet I fly almost daily.  When MSFS releases on your PC it won't be that long before the wow factor starts to wane which it guaranteed will over time.  For me the key to staying mentally engaged w/ something that really has been the same product w/ various enhancements over many years (P3D), has been using FSCaptain, and before that I believe it was FSPassengersX if memory serves me.  FSCaptain adds a level of meaning by monitoring your flight and critiquing how well you met a number of goals throughout the entire flight, and creating a pilot career.  Without this trick, I'd have left flight simming a long time ago I'm sure out of sheer boredom.  If you haven't tried FSCaptain you might consider it.  It is well-integrated w/ GSX I & II.  I'm praying the team will develop a version for MSFS, and I believe they will, if at all possible.

Sure, I can agree with you, Noel. However, Up untill now, my sim (other than the systems and procedural side of things) is basically looking out the window and thinking "its pretty scenery, but probably nothing like in the real world". Now I am looking forward to flying large parts of the world (if not totally around the world) just to explore. Exploration hasnt really part of my simming before, but now I have a feeling that it will be a major factor in my enjoyment of the sim. Since the world is so large as it is, I think it might take a while longer for my interest to wane, as you say. 

If all I flew was modern jet airliners, I'd get bored really quickly too, and need something like FSCaptain.  I usually fly period aircraft in period conditions and every flight is an adventure, with no autopilot and no GPS with flight planning and navigation done on skyvector.com with occasional use of VOR/NDB.

I'm suffering a bit of flight sim burnout at the moment and MSFS has got me in the air again.  I look at screen shots (I take a LOT of screen shots) of P3D and think either, "How the heck did I enjoy flying in those conditions?" or "That doesn't look half bad!" I'm using all stock scenery with Active Sky Cloud Art.

After experiencing MSFS it will be really hard to go back to P3D scenery but I do have some favorite aircraft there.

Hook

1 hour ago, Wobbie said:

Eye candy is like watching p@wn, immersion is like doing the deed. 

 

If anything I would say the difference will be more like doing the deed with no moonlight and the lights off (xp/p3d) , and doing the deed with the lights on (MFS) 

Your still doing the deed and you can immerse yourself in the first scenario, but its way easier with some 'eye candy'

 

*we are going to define 'the deed' as using an add-on plane over default scenery  (for ALL 3) to simplify things... or even default planes over default scenery for all 3 ...  either way i stand by it**

 

I still plan on using both (xp and mfs) btw.. cuz doing the deed in the dark is still pretty nice.

54 minutes ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

Sure, I can agree with you, Noel. However, Up untill now, my sim (other than the systems and procedural side of things) is basically looking out the window and thinking "its pretty scenery, but probably nothing like in the real world". Now I am looking forward to flying large parts of the world (if not totally around the world) just to explore. Exploration hasnt really part of my simming before, but now I have a feeling that it will be a major factor in my enjoyment of the sim. Since the world is so large as it is, I think it might take a while longer for my interest to wane, as you say. 

Well we hope so for your sake.  I'm sure the wow factor will last a while and perhaps be sufficient to forstall the inevitable a little longer.  

1 minute ago, Noel said:

Well we hope so for your sake.  I'm sure the wow factor will last a while and perhaps be sufficient to forstall the inevitable a little longer.  

hehe sure 🙂 And, that's been the way of things when it comes to my sim hobby since the start over 20 years ago. I sim intensly for a while, then I take a break only to return a bit later and enjoy it just as much as the first time 🙂  I have several hobbies, but limited focus, so I swap between them. My friends over in Azeroth will miss me for a few months come August the 18th Im sure. 

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by Andreas Stangenes

So many airports - So little time.

The NDA keeps me from saying more.

1 hour ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

Why is that? From what I've seen from the videos so far, you will be able to do exactly what you did,but have magnificient skyscapes, raindrops funneling off your windscreens, flashes of lightning hitting the mountain peaks, and (hopefully, if the bing imagery is ok), fantastic scenery. And if you got the deluxe you will have many aircraft to play around with. All with free updated nav database. 

Yes you are right - in that I will easily be able to fly the same route and it will be much prettier and probably moire dramatic.  But that was not quite the point I was making.

Whilst expressing some concern as to whether the internal MSFS flight planner would be quite as flexible and work the way I do in V5 (eg can we easily add user waypoints; if at all without inputting the full Lat/Long coordintaes?). I was saying, unlike the OP, I can and do still enjoy P3D v5 as the immersion factor is there. The general point is that much of what we take for granted in P3D will be integrated in MSFS, but it may not work the way we are used to, and there will be no alternative at least for a while, that's all.

Of course I have no idea what it will be like, and if it is really as good as people say, no one will be more delighted than me - and then I wil not open P3d much if at all - especially if the KA 350i is really good...!

Hope that helps.

Ray

9 hours ago, Wobbie said:

4 pages of kids that are bored with their toys, and enjoy telling everyone about it...

Dermot's post is the best so far.

When you are immersed in a sim, eye candy takes 2nd place.. With the sims we have built, we have real pilots bracing themselves in their seats when anticipating touchdown.. Eye candy does not do that, immersion does.

To continue your analogy, we have a single post from a prepubescent teen who thinks he knows it all....

So, you and the people you were elected to represent have the base scenery installed?  No ORBX regions, wx/ground textures, mesh, vector, or 3rd Party Airports installed?  You're just flying the base simulator...right? I doubt it, which negates your notion that scenery is not a critical element of immersion...

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by kingm56

19 minutes ago, kingm56 said:

To continue your analogy, we have a single post from a prepubescent teen who thinks he knows it all....

So, you and the people you were elected to represent have the base scenery installed?  No ORBX regions, wx/ground textures, mesh, vector, or 3rd Party Airports installed?  You're just flying the base simulator...right? I doubt it, which negates your notion that scenery is not a critical element of immersion...

Actually, I worked on a proceedural simulator made by Frasca, & was sold to our local Air Force. It had wireline graphics. The sim was made for training pilots, and thus, without scenery & eye-candy was totally immersive. At our virtual aviation club, we did nav ex's at night, no scenery until touch down, so scenery, no eye-candy... totally immersive.

 

54 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

Actually, I worked on a proceedural simulator made by Frasca, & was sold to our local Air Force. It had wireline graphics. The sim was made for training pilots, and thus, without scenery & eye-candy was totally immersive. At our virtual aviation club, we did nav ex's at night, no scenery until touch down, so scenery, no eye-candy... totally immersive.

 

Answer the question.  Your p3d is default, or full of eye candy like everybody else’s is?

2 hours ago, Wobbie said:

Actually, I worked on a proceedural simulator made by Frasca, & was sold to our local Air Force. It had wireline graphics. The sim was made for training pilots, and thus, without scenery & eye-candy was totally immersive. At our virtual aviation club, we did nav ex's at night, no scenery until touch down, so scenery, no eye-candy... totally immersive.

 

you dont need MSFS for this experience, just turn lights off and it works in P3D or FSX 😁

5 hours ago, LHookins said:

If all I flew was modern jet airliners, I'd get bored really quickly too, and need something like FSCaptain.  I usually fly period aircraft in period conditions and every flight is an adventure, with no autopilot and no GPS with flight planning and navigation done on skyvector.com with occasional use of VOR/NDB.

MSFS will be the first sim to get me out of the tubeliners and into some GA. Flying low and slow in this sim is literally like flying over the real world. No more fake landscapes. I'll still fly commerical jetliners but this sim is going to make me want to explore the world from a GA. Don't know where yet but I plan on starting somewhere in the US in a yet to be determined twin turbo prop and spend probably a couple months seeing the US, up to Canada and then via Greenland - Iceland to get to Europe for another couple of months. By then I think FSL and the other big name commercial jets should be ready for MSFS.

Edited July 26, 20205 yr by B777ER

The Alpha forum has had a few airline simmers who say they'll be flying some GA now. 🙂

I'm currently flying up highway 40 from Los Angeles in the Cessna 152, just landed at Albuquerque, eventual destination is Dallas.  I have never seen such beautiful scenery.  I had no idea the desert was so gorgeous.  I've never been there in real life, and you know what desert scenery looks like in stock P3D.  

This is the kind of flight I typically do, and I've been across the US several times following different major highways.  Even if I somehow decided I'd rather be flying in P3D, I'd still keep MSFS around for scenic tours.

Hook

8 hours ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

I sim intensly for a while, then I take a break only to return a bit later and enjoy it just as much as the first time 🙂

That is me and golf.   And was me and flight simulating until FSPaxX and FSCaptain came along.  I seem to need the contest and still have strong hunch despite the improvement in visuals GA or VFR will wane w/o the structure those apps provide for me.

Edited July 27, 20205 yr by Noel