1 minute ago, Paladin2005 said:

You are right, its looking terrible compared to the good old FSX times:

Oh, god... 🤢

5 hours ago, Slides said:

MSFS2020:

 

Some blemishes obviously, but I can easily fly VFR in this scenery. Compared to P3D it is a huge improvement

Below is a Photo I took couple of months ago, this island ("Södermalm") is the same as the one on the right in the image above.

There is definitely some weird color correction applied to the ortho image, making it look greenish and washed out. Definitely subpar compared to other cities we have seen in MSFS. The good thing about MSFS however is that the stock scenery can easily be improved upon not only be 3PDs but by Asobo/MS themselves either through better aerial imagery (ortho/photogrammetry) or through better AI. If and when mistakes such as these will be corrected remains to be seen, but it is very much possible that this might be significantly improved within a year or so.

27 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

Some blemishes obviously, but I can easily fly VFR in this scenery. Compared to P3D it is a huge improvement

Below is a Photo I took couple of months ago, this island ("Södermalm") is the same as the one on the right in the image above.

it look like the closest at this stage to that image is xplane coupled with ortho4xp scenes

 

 

I'm private pilot and has flown a few times IRL over Stockholm so I have few reflections on this. 

- Generally very good.

- Strange thing is that it looks like flat roofs on all the downtown buildings, that is not the case IRL.

- The beige color on a lot of fields outside city center I think is due to the Sat Photos taken during late summer or fall when crops are ready for harvest.

Generally in the beginning of MSFS I think it is a good idea not to fly "at home" as one is more sensitive for irregularities there.

 

4 hours ago, Doug47 said:

Exactly. I looked at some aerial photos that looked identical. 
These P3D / x-plane trolls are getting worse. 

Troll? I haven't touch any flight sims since 2006.

Compared to P3d and Xplane, is better for sure, but compared with other FS2020 cities, is one of the ugliest. Because the poor Bing data, or because Stockholm is not Venice?

I've never been to Stockholm, but that's the first city I have seen in MSFS where I thought....That doesn't look good. I'm afraid of what Denmark will look like 🙂 

If you look at the Bing satellite image of Stockholm, it's obvious that it was taken in Winter, with brown trees and grass. I guess the sim tries to color-correct this somewhat so that it doesn't clash with most of the other European orthos that mostly show a summer landscape.

The result looks kinda underwhelming.

45 minutes ago, rampa said:

Compared to P3d and Xplane, is better for sure, but compared with other FS2020 cities, is one of the ugliest. Because the poor Bing data, or because Stockholm is not Venice?

I guess it mainly has to do with Bing data and not because it’s less popular than Venice (if it’s that what you meant). Venice looks much more realistic because it has photogrammetry. But I agree, Stockholm doesn‘t look as good as other cities in MSFS at the moment. 

When I saw that photo by arsenal82 I honestly thought, for a split second, that this was MSFS. Some places in the sim, also without photogrammetry, do come pretty close to this, mainly because of the excellent lighting and weather engine as well as the accurately placed autogen buildings with correct roof colours and shapes. It is quite amazing.

40 minutes ago, jlund said:

That doesn't look good. I'm afraid of what Denmark will look like

Copenhagen has photogrammetry, so at least that city should look pretty good. I don‘t  know about the rest of Denmark but, as a rule of thumb, if it looks good in Bing Maps it will look good in the sim. And since Denmark is rather flat there won‘t be any mesh issues.

Edited August 6, 20205 yr by Shack95

I have genereated orthos with Ortho4xp all over Europe. Bing coverage is quite bad at places, if you zoom in on Bing Maps you will notice the resolution of the imagery of Stockholm is weak, it's probably hard to render a city out of it. And there are places in Europe where it is way worse. The further East you go, the worse is Bing. What adds to that is Bing footage is very often outdated and up to 10 years old. When airports or their surroundings unterwent changes in the meantime it's going to look odd because it has to. I'm still wondering what they do when surface was underneath the clouds in Bing footage (zoom in on Bing sat maps over Braunlage, Germany for instance).

Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to buy MSFS, but there will be disappointment for some.

I quote from this site https://fselite.net/news/microsoft-flight-simulator-information-vr-steam-edition-third-party-info-and-future-plans/

Described as major updates and may include helicopters. The team wants to make quite a few of them in the future, and it requires extensive work to get the physics and handling right. Although this is not confirmed to be the first paid DLC, it was an example that was shared about the type of quantity and quality that can be expected. More concrete details will come out in the future.

The following release schedule was shared about the future after release:

• VR update
• World Update I
• Sim Update I
• Paid DLC I
• World Update II
• Sim Update II
• Paid DLC II
• World Update III

To me it seems that the sim gets better and better when they write something like "World Update" and "Sim Update" etc. Etc. Just remember what Stockholm looks like right out of the box in FSX and P3D for example? That the whole world does not look perfect, or that the sim / game is not perfectly straight out of the box is something we accept than to set too high expectations that the sim / game should be 100% perfect straight out of the box. We are actually talking about covering the entire globe down to 30cm pixels.

So yes, even though Norway, Denmark or Sweden may not be completely perfect, there will be the above updates and updates that follow after this as well.

 

EDIT: How many service pack did FSX come out after first release? How many hotfix have P3D come out after release btw? X-plane I don't know about.

Edited August 6, 20205 yr by bernhardsen74

1 minute ago, Shack95 said:

 Some places in the sim, also without photogrammetry, do come pretty close this, mainly because of the excellent lighting and weather engine as well as the accurately placed autogen buildings with correct roof colours and shapes. It is quite amazing.

I agree. The photogrammetry cities look pretty nice, but from a technical achievement standpoint, I find the procedural autogen even more impressive.

When Asobo or 3rd party developers tweak the building styles a little, add more fitting wall textures for particular areas, this will eventually be a real game changer.

3 minutes ago, steffets said:

 I'm still wondering what they do when surface was underneath the clouds in Bing footage (zoom in on Bing sat maps over Braunlage, Germany for instance).

This was already visible in some preview footage. In cases where hi-res ortho is obscured or unavailable, the sim seems to fall back to some generic ground texture.The result looks a bit like a smudge in the overall landscape. In most of the cases where I noticed it so far, it's not too bad because these areas tend to be relatively small in the big picture.

9 hours ago, Richard Sennett said:

Most of these guys are using sub par computers imo

He is running on Ultra settings.

Edited August 6, 20205 yr by Tuskin38