19 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

All these hidden posts by Oz lol, please someone make my day and tell me he has reply to me, probably with some sarcasm when yet again I made no address at him directly just inform another user what his option are.

It's the equivalent of leaving a message when you know that line is disconnected. Weird and sadly worrying. With 3 agreement it looks like am far from the only one who now enjoys the bliss of "hidden".

 

Nyxx, I responded to your post. 

You can't sledge someone (me) in a thread, and then start crying because I respond to you. You start arguments, lose, and then make posts like the one you just added to this thread. No one wants to hear this nonsense, pm me and we'll discuss it person-to-person. 

Tony asked the bickering to stop, so i'll leave it there and bow out of this thread altogether.

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by OzWhitey

If you're looking for flaws in MSFS, you will find them. It's not that hard. It's still a game being rendered on our PCs. It's indeed not magic. But to think this is not revolutionary or amazing for flight sims reflects an insecurity. 

As someone who doesn't have a lifetime subscription to Everything Orbx, I have to say I'm really intrigued by the idea of doing virtual tourism in default MSFS scenery with travelogue videos.  

There are a lot of cool places in the world that I've visited in P3D, but the only thing there is basic land class.  Yeah, I visited... so what?  I can visit the same place in MSFS and see what's actually there. 

One example I've visited in MSFS is Montserrat in the Caribbean.  A volcano erupted there in the 90s creating a "modern day Vesuvius".  In P3D it's just an island with trees.  In Google Earth it shows the lava flows and devastation including lots of buildings still without a roof.  In MSFS you see the lava flows, although the nearby buildings are complete.  The bottom line is, in default P3D there's no reason to visit there at all, but in MSFS you could tell the "Vesuvius" story in a video.

Easter island is even more dramatic, being totally covered with trees in P3D while almost bare in MSFS, just the areas they've reforested have trees with reasonable terrain elsewhere.

Neither is perfect in MSFS, but they're still worth visiting, unlike in default P3D where all you could really say is, "I've been there."  

Hook

This is one great thing about this sim, you can literally just choose anywhere random on the earth and do a flight and it'll have good/believable scenery. I've traditionally left most of my simming to the UK and the US, but this sim will change that and literally opens up the entire world.

19 minutes ago, tonywob said:

but this sim will change that and literally opens up the entire world.

I’ve always been something of a virtual tourist in flight sim, spending hours/days/weeks making ortho in X-Plane, with some very mixed results. The joy of this is it's already there, no messing with tile creation etcetera, which was always fun to some degree, but if the results were poor, then that time seemed waisted. Just to pick a random part of the globe and go there with no work beforehand is going to be wonderful. Ok, some places won't be so good, but that's fine I'll just head somewhere else. P3D was good with some Orbx scenery, but never real enough (TE and large airports exuded) for marvelling at the scenery.

No more messing with xVision, not that it works properly with Vulkan, not more dealing with Matt and PTA 🤐 no more finding the right textures in REX. Just load and go.

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by Novation

50 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

Nyxx, I responded to your post. 

You can't sledge someone (me) in a thread, and then start crying because I respond to you. You start arguments, lose, and then make posts like the one you just added to this thread. No one wants to hear this nonsense, pm me and we'll discuss it person-to-person. 

Tony asked the bickering to stop, so i'll leave it there and bow out of this thread altogether.

Dont worry, some folks cant accept the fact that MSFS is far from perfect, and not really a next generation thing with stuff never seen before as they belive, they gotta defend their wishful thinking so they respond with stupid sarcastic jokes that does not really make an impression on anyone.

Yeah it is way ahead other main and known simulators (for now..), but the bar ain't really that high while more impressive tech is out there for YEARS.

 

 

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by mtaxp

3 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

That guy is getting WAY too excited. It’s mainly a flat island with some trees......

 

 

Maybe so but I would suggest to keep this in perspective, have a look at Kangaroo Island in any other sim. It might not be Switzerland but it is a lovely island and it is mostly covered very well.

12 hours ago, tonywob said:

This is one great thing about this sim, you can literally just choose anywhere random on the earth and do a flight and it'll have good/believable scenery. I've traditionally left most of my simming to the UK and the US, but this sim will change that and literally opens up the entire world.

Absolutely. In FSX, I never really felt much of an urge to explore from random airstrips or even most major airports in the world because, without getting hold of one or more 3rd party add-ons I knew the terrain would look little different wherever I went. Sure, there would be snowy mountain peaks, deep valleys or huge lakes, but they'd rarely look particularly unique. Now there's much more chance of that without further outlay, even if there will be imperfections. 

 

EDITED penultimate sentence. Don't know what happened there!

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by 109Sqn
"really loom" to "rarely look"

10 hours ago, mtaxp said:

Dont worry, some folks cant accept the fact that MSFS is far from perfect, and not really a next generation thing with stuff never seen before as they belive, they gotta defend their wishful thinking so they respond with stupid sarcastic jokes that does not really make an impression on anyone.

Yeah it is way ahead other main and known simulators (for now..), but the bar ain't really that high while more impressive tech is out there for YEARS.

LMAO, tech demos. This is all you guys have left now. And even these tech demos have the lighting completely wrong and look like Skyrim rather than real life. One of them literally looks like FSX with reshade shaders lol. 

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by Slides

scenery is nice but i see stutters; and see them in lots of videos

does not look like a coincidence

10 minutes ago, arsenal82 said:

scenery is nice but i see stutters; and see them in lots of videos

does not look like a coincidence

It's not a coincidence.  Videos tend to have stutters even when the sim does not. 🙂 

Hook

MSFS2020 (A.K.A. MFS2020, FS2020---you're welcome, @Wobbie) drops the barrier to entry for people whose main concern is exploring the world from the air. I've mostly been flying combat sims since over the past few years because after my last foray into civilian simming (~MSFS 2000), I simply couldn't get what I wanted out of it, which was a way to see the world as an aviator (short of getting a ppl, which I don't want to do).

For the past few years I've reviewed the other options, but I had no interest in buying a sim and then using resources to add orthos just to hopefully open up a small part of the world to me. 

This has NEVER been about perfection for anyone who can use basic critical thinking skills. This is a massive undertaking that will offer to me what I've been wanting since I was 14 years old, and I couldn't be happier or more excited. I'm watching all the same videos as everyone else, I see the same flaws as everyone else, and I still get just as excited as Novawing24 because he's starting up his flight sim and exploring a part of the world he wanted to explore.

It's subjective, some will love it, some will hate it, but I find it odd that I've been (indirectly) told to quell my excitement by so many people on forums simply because they aren't excited by what they see. I am excited! And I'm enjoying it! 

2 minutes ago, Dermot McClusky said:

MSFS2020 (A.K.A. MFS2020, FS2020---you're welcome, @Wobbie) drops the barrier to entry for people whose main concern is exploring the world from the air. I've mostly been flying combat sims since over the past few years because after my last foray into civilian simming (~MSFS 2000), I simply couldn't get what I wanted out of it, which was a way to see the world as an aviator (short of getting a ppl, which I don't want to do).

For the past few years I've reviewed the other options, but I had no interest in buying a sim and then using resources to add orthos just to hopefully open up a small part of the world to me. 

This has NEVER been about perfection for anyone who can use basic critical thinking skills. This is a massive undertaking that will offer to me what I've been wanting since I was 14 years old, and I couldn't be happier or more excited. I'm watching all the same videos as everyone else, I see the same flaws as everyone else, and I still get just as excited as Novawing24 because he's starting up his flight sim and exploring a part of the world he wanted to explore.

It's subjective, some will love it, some will hate it, but I find it odd that I've been (indirectly) told to quell my excitement by so many people on forums simply because they aren't excited by what they see. I am excited! And I'm enjoying it! 

Some of the button pusher lovers of the flight sim community love to take the joy out of everything. They've forgotten what the joy of flight really is about.

15 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

That guy is getting WAY too excited. It’s mainly a flat island with some trees. There’s some dodgy terrain mesh, and a river that randomly extends over the road he’s following.

Clouds look average.

Lighting is nice.

There is nothing amazing or revolutionary there, and it’s not a very interesting part of the world to fly in. So I find his “Oh wow, amazing!” schtick to be a little over the top. He’s blown away that a river has (bad) water masking? Uh...OK.

 

The idea that AI generated scenery over orthos being streamed to you that places buildings in their exact locations isn't revolutionary is silly. Of course it is.

Yes, you can load up non-color corrected ZL19 in XP11 with all the imperfections that come with that (clouds mainly), but you can only do that for a tiny part of the world and you are dependent on incomplete OSM-based overlays. What makes MSFS revolutionary is 1) the presentation itself is indeed better out of the box than any sim by far (except maybe DCS, which is really pretty) and 2) you get decent to great coverage all over the world.

Edited August 15, 20205 yr by bonchie

24 minutes ago, bonchie said:

except maybe DCS, which is really pretty

But it can't do mountains properly. 😞