Unpolular opinion here but I am actually glad MSFS is so taxing on our systems. It generally doesnt mean bad optimization. Have you seen how it looks ? Its probably the most next gen game that we have seen this year. Who cares if you cant max out every slider now. It just means the game is ready for furture hardware.

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by Baber20

9 minutes ago, Ron Attwood said:

Note to self: Stop putting stuff into parentheses.

I should (probably) think about doing that (myself) actually. (At some point).🤣

To the OP: perfectly reasonable points with an absolutely idiotic thread title that detracts from them. You're part of the problem you're complaining about.

Great post.

Whenever I come here after a session in the sim I feel I have entered a parallel universe. Surely I must have a different version of the sim than others.

1 hour ago, Sethos said:

Ah yes, the tired old "must be the young people". Yet this forum is absolutely filled to the brim with old guys complaining about the most inane things. It's almost like this has nothing to do with age, gender or anything like that, just comes down to a mentality you find in every person that plays games and flies simulators. 

Have you ever heard of the 73 years old zoomer? It's not an age problem.

Your comments are right on.  Asobo created the next gen in flightsimming with the Bing integration. Now it should deserve to be progressively and fairly evaluated moving forward as a next gen sim. Flaws and all and I'm prefectly happy to leave P3D and XPlane behind and move forward. Great job Asobo and MS.

36 minutes ago, MatzeH84 said:

I'm still amazed what has been achieved here. Sure, there are some things that annoy me. But it's the first release of a platform that will be the reference for years to come. What else looks so good, brings so many features and still runs that good? I went to PNG yesterday to check out some bush strips, and guess what.. the stock scenery already is nearly as good as a 20€ ORBX package. We have great live weather, accurate mesh and scenery EVERYWHERE, no need for extra shader programs, most airports are at the region-improved ORBX level (regions, not dedicated airports). We have live airliner traffic (what needed another addon before). We have icing, which only a few addons could deliver if it was custom coded, same for windshield rain effects. The stock sim already saves a ton on money here! Sure, there are things that really need to be improved. But even now in its very first iteration it's a VFR and Bush pilots wet dream. Not talking about airliners or the pretty bad, undockable GPS. Or the fact that you have to quit to the main menu to change your location, plane or route. Or the completely different key bindings. Sure, many areas need to and will be improved over time. But the base is absolutely fantastic. Just don't expect a sim that can deliver everything on day 1. No piece of software on the entertainment market ever did that.

You can undock instrument screens, if you press ALT GR while hovering over them the cursor becomes a magnifying lens, click and it becomes a dockable window.

 

2 minutes ago, EmaRacing said:

Have you ever heard of the 73 years old zoomer? It's not an age problem.

No, I haven't because the phrase you used is a reference to a generation, thus an age group. It's a play on the word 'boomer'. So you made it an age issue with that comment. 

The negativity is not surprising at all considering the state of many peoples rude and confrontational behavior these days.

What is surprising is the posts from long time simmers that slam the new sim with only one day of flying it or less.

Hardly a fair test of the sim.

MSFS is very deep an takes a long time to experience and learn what it has to offer.

In the seven months I was testing it, something new was discovered every flight.

I had more immersive moments testing this than my previous 21 years of simming combined.

Everyone is in such a rush for instant gratification. Take your time with a long flight and feel how the aircraft moves through the air squirming and moving around just like a real aircraft.

There is an entire planet to explore.

 

 

30 minutes ago, Baber20 said:

Unpolular opinion here but I am actually glad MSFS is so taxing on our systems. It generally doesnt mean bad optimization. Have you seen how looks ? Its probably the most next gen game that we have seen this year. Who cares if you cant max out every slider now. It just means the game is ready for furture hardware.

Perfect! One of the things I've always loved about Flight Simulator is that every time I throw new hardware at it, it just uses it and screams, "Give me more!". Can't wait to see what the new hardware we will have in 2-3 years does with this version.

1 hour ago, Nemo said:

those whiners and complainers are a minority and we should not listen too much to them.

Have you been to the MSFT message board in the last 24h Harry? 😉 LOL

1 hour ago, EmaRacing said:

Zoomers, we have to deal with them...
They can't install the game, they don't have the hardware to run it, they don't have the connection to install it, they weren't waiting 10+ years for it...
They go everywhere, spit their 1 star frustration review and go back playing forenite or mineshaft or whatever they play, zoomers...

...an age of entitlement and instant gratification, expecting a boulevard of unbroken green lights!  😉

A whiner ranting about whining is a... meta-whiner? Supra-whining?

Now seriously, I get it; I understand many are minor issues but there are some things that people have been reporting that are real game breaking (and part of the problem here is 1.5 years of ever-mounting hype).

Just for example:

* Missing default settings for widely used controllers, and then only partial support

* Missing major airports (MS boasts the 37k number repeatedly)

* Misleading pre-downloading advise that only gave an installer, forcing people to wait for launch day to download the game

* erratic auto pilot that breaks usability of anything beyond GA

* broken Simconnect that lags VATSIM client (this was also Asobo front page btw)

* Highly publicised active pause that may unexpectedly throw your plane to the ground when you unpause

* Losing joystick control by merely mousing out of the game window

 

The point that I am trying to make is, we can tolerate many, many glitches but then you reach one that breaks the user experience and then... what do you do?

 

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by pty1973cm

2 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

A well written post which I see as a half full glass 😉. I understand your point but somewhat I don’t like dividing  the community between fan boys and whiners. Labelling people, putting them in cases.  I prefer to discuss the issues at hand rather than the postures.

Agreed.  The term "fa* bo*" is derogatory, divisive, and provocative, and really shouldn't be used.

Lord knows I've done my share of criticizing some people who seem to support a product or developer at all costs and who won't tolerate any criticism of said product or developer, but I try to refrain from name-calling.

Dave

Edited August 19, 20205 yr by dave2013

50 minutes ago, Ron Attwood said:

I got my MFS up and running and have to admit to 'This is all different, I can't figure it out' symdrome. Control setup had me frazzled, but a couple of videos (Thank you Squirrel) and a few light bulbs suddenly switched on, I joined the 'It's blown my mind' (I always said 'yeah right' when I read that phrase) set. You know that feeling of excitement when your heart feels a bit too big in your chest? I had that.

 

 

I'm with you Ron - I had the same initial reaction to the controller setup and the lack of documentation. I just couldn't figure it out.  But after about 45 minutes of stumbling through, things started to "click." There are some choices in the UI that I might not have made (I actually have a fair amount of design experience with human factors and UI design), but I can see what they were trying to do and I appreciated the willingness to try a fresh approach.  There are some buggy elements and some powerful functionality that is unfortunately not necessarily obvious, but nothing that in the end prevented me from flying.

As to everything else, I do notice several bugs, but nothing that is any way game-breaking that I have come across yet.  But what is there is so refreshing and innovative in many ways.  I mean, right now my son is flying around London, with full Live AI traffic at Heathrow, and with a combination of graphics performance and fidelity I have never seen before, aircraft that actually feel like you are flying and pretty minimal (if any) stutters.  Never in a million years would we get that in one of the other current civil aviation platforms. It actually feels a bit like DCS in terms of the flying experience, but with the whole world at your disposal - and this is with default scenery and aircraft.

I thought I would be disappointed in not having study-level airliners available off the bat, but frankly I am having a blast "rediscovering" the wonder of flight and exploration instead of having my head buried in a manual and mashing buttons.  Don't tell anyone, but I might even try a few of the Landing Challenges later. 🙃

I did a flight in the default King Air last night, full IFR and autopilot but with a visual landing, and everything was really smooth - I could do all of the nav work and flight level changes as I wanted to.  Yes, at some point I will want full turboprop engine management and all that stuff, but it has been years since I was willing to even touch a default aircraft in any MS/P3D version - what is there is quite serviceable.

I am a little disappointed that most of the default aircraft are glass cockpits, and the steam gauge options are kind of in the minority.  But I am sure that will come soon enough.

I don't want to dismiss the people experiencing bugs with the autopilot and such right now - my limited flying I haven't seen it but I am sure there are scenarios where the default systems have some issues (I haven't tried an ILS capture and landing yet, for example).  The "staying power" of the platform will be how diligently MS and Asobo respond to and fix those issues quickly.

Right now though, I am grinning hearing the classic MS Flight Simulator theme music in the background as my son hogs the simulator.