I've kept P3Dv4.5 and have v5 installed as well.  I find myself on v5 most of the time for jet flying due to the improvements in performance (like being able to finally get into KLAX in a PMDG or FSL jet with ORBX SCA active).  LM did a major rework of the airports for v5, so some of the v4 sceneries need minor revisions because of things like seeing the signs from the default coming through--the exclusions built into some of the v4 sceneries were based on the position of the signs on the old default airport.  In nearly all cases I was able to rework the airport file in ADE myself if needed.  Some of the ORBX freeware airports don't work right, as they used object files from P3Dv4 which are no longer present in v5, so I use v4.5 for turboprop and GA flying into those.

You can certainly get by with 4.5, but v5 does bring some nice incremental improvements, particularly in better performance through much better spreading-out of the load across the CPU LPs.  I don't use EA at this point because I depend heavily on ActiveSky, and those two don't play so nice together...hopefully there'll be some improvements in v5.1 on that front. 

I also have MSFS, and I share Gerard's concerns about MSFS at this point in time.  Some major selling points from the MSFS ad campaign--for example the "1000 points of light" flight dynamics and the advanced fluid-dynamics based weather--have not materialized as anything particularly special.  I find it nearly inconceivable that they'd work so hard on and advertise both of those and then release with not a single airplane that serves as a decent example of what those supposedly advanced capabilities bring.  I'm not writing MSFS off, but I am recognizing that it isn't, in its current state, what it was advertised it would be.  It may get there...and it may not.  I've long said that the proof of the pudding is in the tasting, and the initial release tastes pretty bland from a flight dynamics and weather environment perspective.  For those of us that consider those to be really important, that's a big deal.

2 hours ago, GSalden said:

I am not “the same people”.

P3D did not look like it does from day 1 but from day one there was an enhanced SDK so all kinds of hardware could be connected. 

From day 1 you could fly at Mach 1 without stutters over a vanilla P3D.

MSFS already stutters with the simple default  Jetliners. Imagine what will happen when a PMDG or FsLabs ac is added.

Its either eyecandy + performance with slow and not too complex ac or way less eyecandy + jetliner performance with more complex ac ...

TileProxy learned us that streaming tiles is possible but at the cost of speed. Works Terrain is the successor of TL and at 120-140 knots the system starts to get in trouble.

You have to be realistic : you cannot have it all ..

Your “same people” are realistic people ....

I never said anything about the "same people" I said it is the "same thing that is said about every new sim iteration"   

FS9 users screamed FSX would never be a "Heavy Simulator"

P3D when all of those advanced airliners you mentioned were introduced was a stutter fest.  It took time for the platform and HW to mature to accommodate them, hence why we are on P3D V5 and not V1...  

No you can not have it all but no one knows what the future holds so to doom it two weeks after it's inception is exactly the behavior we see with every new iteration...  Don't take it personally, I've watched it since FS98 LOL 

 

 

38 minutes ago, psolk said:

I never said anything about the "same people" I said it is the "same thing that is said about every new sim iteration"   

FS9 users screamed FSX would never be a "Heavy Simulator"

P3D when all of those advanced airliners you mentioned were introduced was a stutter fest.  It took time for the platform and HW to mature to accommodate them, hence why we are on P3D V5 and not V1...  

No you can not have it all but no one knows what the future holds so to doom it two weeks after it's inception is exactly the behavior we see with every new iteration...  Don't take it personally, I've watched it since FS98 LOL 

 

 

For the most I agree with you.

It took LM multiple years to come to where they are now. Asobo has done a fantastic job. 
 

In P3D you can fly airliners with good performance. 
If you have to strip MSFS from a lot of AG and eyecandy features ( less resolution of the tiles, little AG and little clouds ) just to fly an airliner, how satisfying would that be ?

And what when those have addon airports are coming ?

Perhaps in 4-5 years with faster hardware , faster IN and more bandwidth on the MS servers it might be possible to fly a complex jetliner with a lot of detail.

If you are satisfied with just some GA then it’s all fine ....

4 hours ago, w6kd said:

Some of the ORBX freeware airports don't work right, as they used object files from P3Dv4 which are no longer present in v5, so I use v4.5 for turboprop and GA flying into those.

I though ORBX had recently updated their freeware package?

6 hours ago, GSalden said:

I am not “the same people”.

P3D did not look like it does from day 1 but from day one there was an enhanced SDK so all kinds of hardware could be connected. 

From day 1 you could fly at Mach 1 without stutters over a vanilla P3D.

MSFS already stutters with the simple default  Jetliners. Imagine what will happen when a PMDG or FsLabs ac is added.

Its either eyecandy + performance with slow and not too complex ac or way less eyecandy + jetliner performance with more complex ac ...

TileProxy learned us that streaming tiles is possible but at the cost of speed. Works Terrain is the successor of TL and at 120-140 knots the system starts to get in trouble.

You have to be realistic : you cannot have it all ..

Your “same people” are realistic people ....

What aircraft have you tried out so far in MSFS?

3 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

What aircraft have you tried out so far in MSFS?

None, as I did not buy it. 

- no enhanced SDK so complex ac like my Prosim can’t be connected . It will take up at least 4 months before an enhanced SDK will be released ( AS stated that ). I have no intention to buy something that I cannot use with my home cockpit .

So I will continue flying with P3Dv5 .

And when there is a good SDK I will wait first to see what others say about smoothness when using faster complex ac like PMDG/FsLabs and detailed airports and lots of AI ac with heavy weather ...

 

 

12 hours ago, carlito777 said:

Hi,

after moving from my rusty 4770K to a completely new build based on the 10700K (and hopefully a 3080 with 20Gb soon), I'm back into flight simming after a long break. Of course I bought MFS but since I'm a tubeliner guy, it cannot replace a Prepar3d install yet. So my big question is whether I should make the upgrade from v4.5 to v5, knowing that probably in a year or so, it will be all MFS when PDMG and the likes release decent tubeliners for MFS. In that regard I have one specific question: Does Prepar3d v5 require scenery updates or do the v4 sceneries still work? I know that a lot of developers have released free updates but some want an update fee and I don't want to spend money on sceneries in Prepar3d anymore, knowing that in a year or so, I will most likely have moved on to MFS. Thanks for your answers!

Currently v5 is best PMDG, FSL, v5 performance is much better over v4.5, but just be careful, you can get VRAM oom if you push it. I would wait till v5.1. EA is very nice but needs fixing. 
As for MSFS, asking in this forum is not really going to get you more than negative comments. The new video’s I watched today on YouTube we’re saying the 3080 in the game comparison we’re running 80% faster than a 2080, so when people talk about airlines not running in MSFS I would wait to see what the new 3080-3090 bring. 
Like you am ordering a 10900k@5 32GB and a 3080 when the new cards come out. I personally think these new cards are going to be a game/sim changer. Plus give MSFS a year of work and let’s see we’re we are then not a few weeks after release. People forget how terrible MS fight sim X was and how bad P3D. Also remember for P3D to look even close to MSFS it needs Orbx TE all LOD and autogen set to max and then ask what’s FPS like then? But hey, I have both and will enjoy both, but not touched P3D since MSFS came out. Learning real VFR and how amazing it is to do. All with no Addons. Or TB’s of PR.

Good to see your back mate.

Edited September 3, 20205 yr by Nyxx

26 minutes ago, GSalden said:

None, as I did not buy it. 

- no enhanced SDK so complex ac like my Prosim can’t be connected . It will take up at least 4 months before an enhanced SDK will be released ( AS stated that ). I have no intention to buy something that I cannot use with my home cockpit .

So I will continue flying with P3Dv5 .

And when there is a good SDK I will wait first to see what others say about smoothness when using faster complex ac like PMDG/FsLabs and detailed airports and lots of AI ac with heavy weather ...

 

 

I know you did not, but just checking. You need to try it for yourself before condemning it. There is a lot of BS out there. If I can run it on good setting, “high end” and LOD at max and a few sliders on ultra and get 45 FPS with GA’s then please try yourself before telling people to dismiss it. Also 3080 are going to make a huge difference.

Also lets remember that v5 was not even playable until HF2, MSFS has been out 3 weeks.I find it breathtaking how people want to dismiss already. When ever in any fight sim have you been able to go just about anywhere in the world and see it in that detail out the box? never. 

Edited September 3, 20205 yr by Nyxx

1 hour ago, DJJose said:

I though ORBX had recently updated their freeware package?

Actually it is a repost of the one that was available previously. They (ORBX) made it clear that due to that fact, they will not fix any glitches, etc but were meeting customer feedback. See 

 

32 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

I know you did not, but just checking. You need to try it for yourself before condemning it. There is a lot of BS out there. If I can run it on good setting, “high end” and LOD at max and a few sliders on ultra and get 45 FPS with GA’s then please try yourself before telling people to dismiss it. Also 3080 are going to make a huge difference.

Also lets remember that v5 was not even playable until HF2, MSFS has been out 3 weeks.I find it breathtaking how people want to dismiss already. 

A Fs friend of mine has it and I went there and had the opportunity to play with it. 

I thought that from starting it to actual being there in the scenery was already long in P3D but MSFS takes even longer.. For VFR flying ( low and slow ) it is really nice.  
I flew around my city but there where house blocks not in Bing while they where ready since 5 years.

Very nice nightlighting.  But only at a low altitude. At 20.000 ft it looked weird .

IFR flying is something else. I have tried the 787 and could see small stutters. Looked like loading stutters. And sometimes not all tiles where as sharp as the others.

A 3080/3090 might be of some help but keep in mind that all AG , tiles etc have to be calculated first by the CPU.

Regarding P3D v5 : I was lucky not to have issues on both my pc’s. But that might have to do with using Prosim systems ( running outside Fs ).

 

 

Edited September 3, 20205 yr by GSalden

2 hours ago, DJJose said:

I though ORBX had recently updated their freeware package?

No, they directly ported it over from v4 to v5, with explicit caveats up-front that they have not updated the sceneries, so your experience with them in v5 will be a mixed bag. 

They opened up a thread on their forums for user edits/fixes to the existing freeware sceneries.

 

1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

I know you did not, but just checking. You need to try it for yourself before condemning it. There is a lot of BS out there. If I can run it on good setting, “high end” and LOD at max and a few sliders on ultra and get 45 FPS with GA’s then please try yourself before telling people to dismiss it. Also 3080 are going to make a huge difference.

Also lets remember that v5 was not even playable until HF2, MSFS has been out 3 weeks.I find it breathtaking how people want to dismiss already. When ever in any fight sim have you been able to go just about anywhere in the world and see it in that detail out the box? never. 

I do have both, and I think that MSFS is way too hyped and I don't understand why it gets so many accolades.  I live in a large suburb of Chicago, and I like so many took a site seeing flight to find my home as my first in the new sim, and I couldn't have been more disappointed.  It looks absolutely nothing like the real world, and this was tested with all settings on Ultra.  I then tried to fly from KMDW and go over to my workplace a couple of miles north of the airport.  And yes I found the building, but the image it used to make the "3D" blob of a building is over three years old, it looks completely different now.  I agree with GSalden in believing that good complex aircraft like PMDG or FSLabs will bring the sim performance to its knees.  I believe MSFS will have it's place in the flight sim world, but so will P3D.  If nothing else, having more competition will make both platforms better as time passes, and we will be spoiled with many good choices when we decide to fire up the old PC and take a flight.

2 hours ago, DJJose said:

I thought ORBX had recently updated their freeware package?

Edit: I see that this was answered already..

 

Edited September 3, 20205 yr by Bert Pieke

Long live P3D. 

Point of order: there isn't an upgrade to P3D V5 path. You have to buy it all over again. Which is why I didn't upgrade.