Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
goodperson36

Is This The End of Prepar3D v4.5

Recommended Posts

Windows for Warships :laugh:

I can just see some guy at his station on board a Type 45 destroyer, bashing the keyboard in frustration as Windows Update KB123BETATestEarlyAccess word not allowed up his radar system :laugh:


Christopher Low

UK2000 Beta Tester

FSBetaTesters3.png

Share this post


Link to post
3 hours ago, scotchegg said:

As opposed to an actual manufacturer of weapons of mass destruction...?

It really seems hard for you to respond in a normal way to what others write ....

This kind of nonsense you may keep to yourself.

 

Edited by GSalden
  • Like 6
  • Upvote 1

Gerard

12900K (8 cores @ 5.1-5.5 GHz / 8 cores @ 3.9 GHz ) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D4 - GSkill Ripjaws 2x 16 Gb 4266 mhz @ 4000 mhz / cas 16- Inno3D RTX3090 X4 iCHILL 24 Gb - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb - Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Thermaltake Level 10 GT case - EKWB Extreme 240 liquid cooling set push/pull - 2x 43” Sony 4K tv's in NVSurround

8700K : all 6 cores @ 5.0 GHz - Asus ROG 370 - 2x 8 Gb 4000 MHz @ 3600 Mhz - Inno3D RTX 3090 X3 iCHILL 24 Gb  - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x  Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - 1x 55” Sony 4K tv

My flightsim vids :  https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0

 

Share this post


Link to post
8 hours ago, flycln said:

Although I don't quite see what Asobo/MS would gain from hurting 3PD's business?

What they gain is removal of 3PDs business on OTHER FS platforms (i.e. the competition) ... which is exactly what happened with a 1 year early announcement of a new FS just 1 day prior to FSExpo.  This then allows Microsoft to dictate the terms, which is exactly what they've done with early release and incomplete SDK and forced to use WASM rather than a better and easier option of In-Process DLLs.  

MS Flight was a lesson for Microsoft, a lesson they didn't like where 3PDs rejected their business model, 3PDs were "in control".  This time around, Microsoft positioned themselves so that would NOT happen again.

You really believe Microsoft (at $44 Billion net income) "had to release" FS due to financial concerns?

Cheers, Rob.

Edited by Rob_Ainscough
  • Like 5
  • Upvote 6

Share this post


Link to post
5 hours ago, scotchegg said:

the accusations have gone from MS/Asobo’s being merely incompetent to acting strategically and maliciously

Wow you really do twist what was said to something completely different ... I was specifically discussing Microsoft, not Asobo (there is a difference).  I never suggested Asobo were "incompetent".  I never indicated anyone was "malicious".  These are all YOUR OWN words.

So have you installed the MSFS SDK? 

Have you gone thru it to see if my "claim" of the SDK being very incomplete is accurate?  Do you feel PMDG, FSLabs, Hans from AS, and other DLC providers are just making stuff?

If you really want to debate this rather than making stuff up, then install the SDK, read the documentation, and come back with something meaningful.

Cheers, Rob.

  • Like 8
  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

What they gain is removal of 3PDs business on OTHER FS platforms (i.e. the competition) ... which is exactly what happened with a 1 year early announcement of a new FS just 1 day prior to FSExpo.  This then allows Microsoft to dictate the terms, which is exactly what they've done with early release and incomplete SDK and forced to use WASM rather than a better and easier option of In-Process DLLs.  

MS Flight was a lesson for Microsoft, a lesson they didn't like where 3PDs rejected their business model, 3PDs were "in control".  This time around, Microsoft positioned themselves so that would NOT happen again.

You really believe Microsoft (at $44 Billion net income) "had to release" FS due to financial concerns?

Cheers, Rob.

Electronic Arts doesn't "have to release" games early either, yet they do so all the time. The fact that they make lots of money doesn't mean they don't monitor the costs of individual projects very tightly.

In fact I can easily think of other MS-funded games that were released early for that very reason. Microsoft made billions even years ago yet they cut funding of Vanguard (an MMO which then had to change to a different publisher) when they didn't like the progress made which forced the game to release early and contributed to its failure.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong. And in fact I assume you know more about the Flight Sim and 3PD scene than I do, so you certainly gave me something to think about. I still wouldn't rule out incompetence and MS forcing Asobo to release the game for the reasons I mentioned.

Edited by flycln
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post

I dont buy any of the theories here. If I was in charge at MS I would focus more on the sim then the SDK before release because that's what most customers are buying. 

Hello customers, here is an incomplete flight sim but check out our impressive SDK!

I dont think they wanted to harm 3PDs or starve any market when they announced the sim. Their only thoughts were marketing their product well, building anticipation and selling lots of copies on release - the same as any business. I do agree though they have harmed 3pds to some extent as Rob said.

Yes the SDK is not complete just 2 months after release. But they are working on it. It will take time and thats the way it is.

The Aerosoft CRJ is being released in the next few months so there seems to be enough to build a plane even if you cant simulate pump failures or spend 45 minutes flicking switches.

Edited by sanh
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
2 minutes ago, sanh said:

The Aerosoft CRJ is being released in the next few months so there seems to be enough to build a plane even if you cant simulate pump failures or spend 45 minutes flicking switches.

Considering the autopilot Hans has created in the CRJ is about as reliable as the MSFS default autopilot I have no doubt he can create a plane  of equal... uhh... quality. 

Edited by flycln
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
2 hours ago, sanh said:

The Aerosoft CRJ is being released in the next few months so there seems to be enough to build a plane even if you cant simulate pump failures or spend 45 minutes flicking switches.

You are obviously not a serious sim enthusiast. Systems simulation is more important than being able to identify the new mall they built in your home town, appearing in your streamed scenery! You ask any real pilot if he thinks spending "45 minutes flicking switches" is a waste of time, or part of a necessary check list! Good God man!!

Edited by Boeingnut
  • Like 3
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
On 10/21/2020 at 5:23 AM, Rob_Ainscough said:

I don't know if MS planned this "by design" killing off an  revenue stream for an old platform and then NOT providing a method (sufficient complete SDK) to generate a new revenue stream ... it's either being blind or cut throat, take your pick.  I'm going to assume MS/Asobo knew exactly what they were doing and what was going to happen especially given the timing and how this was pushed out incomplete.

What part of this does not say ‘it’s possible MS or MS/Asobo (you use both interchangeably here) planned to kill off a revenue stream and not provide a new one, they’re either incompetent or malicious, you decide, but I think they knew exactly what they were doing (which suggests you think they were cutthroat rather than blind)?

What other meaning did you intend by this?

 

edit: and looking at other reactions to your post, clearly most others have interpreted your words in exactly the same way.

Edited by scotchegg

i910900k, RTX 3090, 32GB DDR4 RAM, X34 3440x1440, Ruddy girt big mug of Yorkshire Tea

Share this post


Link to post
4 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Have you gone thru it to see if my "claim" of the SDK being very incomplete is accurate?  Do you feel PMDG, FSLabs, Hans from AS, and other DLC providers are just making stuff?

If you really want to debate this rather than making stuff up, then install the SDK, read the documentation, and come back with something meaningful.

I made no comment at all about whether what you said about the completeness of the SDK was valid. As anyone can see, my comments were only about what you hypothesized of MS/Asobo’s competence and intentions.


i910900k, RTX 3090, 32GB DDR4 RAM, X34 3440x1440, Ruddy girt big mug of Yorkshire Tea

Share this post


Link to post
6 hours ago, GSalden said:

It really seems hard for you to respond in a normal way to what others write ....

This kind of nonsense you may keep to yourself.

 

I was responding to a suggestion MS act unethically because they avoid tax. If your moral compass doesn’t allow you to see any irony in seeing tax avoidance as unethical but not manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, then I can see how my reaction is nonsense for you.


i910900k, RTX 3090, 32GB DDR4 RAM, X34 3440x1440, Ruddy girt big mug of Yorkshire Tea

Share this post


Link to post
22 minutes ago, Boeingnut said:

You are obviously not a serious sim enthusiast.

Easy there, sport. If you are into GA VFR, accurate terrain, coastlines, cities are rather important for us. 🤗

More so than if PMDG modelled Schuler period oscillations in their 737NGXu Inertial Reference System.

  • Like 1

EASA PPL SEPL + NQ , EFIS, Variable Pitch Prop / B23 / PA28 / C172S pilot
i9 9900K  | ASUS ROG Strix RTX 2080 Ti OC | 32 GB Corsair DDR4 RAM |
MSFS | X-Plane 11 | P3D v5

 

Share this post


Link to post
43 minutes ago, Boeingnut said:

You are obviously not a serious sim enthusiast. Systems simulation is more important than being able to identify the new mall they built in your home town, appearing in your streamed scenery! You ask any real pilot if he thinks spending "45 minutes flicking switches" is a waste of time, or part of a necessary check list! Good God man!!

What is a "serious sim enthusiast"? I don't care about identifying malls or places and to suggest that's all those who are not "serious" do is incorrect and smacks of elitism. I want the simulation of flight i.e. handling the controls and testing my flying skills to land in tricky airports or bad weather.

As for your last sentence I would advise you to remember you are also sitting behind your little computer pretending to be a pilot.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post

The year is 2028. In Avsim ppl will refer to this time with, "you all remember the flight sim wars of the early 2020's".

  • Upvote 1

Eric 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
10 minutes ago, sanh said:

do is incorrect and smacks of elitism

I was wondering how long it would take for someone here to play the dreaded "e-card"? It's one thing to treat everybody fairly and equitably. It's another thing to assume that everyone has equal training and experience. The internet has created instant millionaires, instant celebrities and instant experts on on everything. It has also fostered hatred for the "elites", people seen as knowledgeable and having the power to dispel myths and contradict lies. 

  • Like 4
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
  • Tom Allensworth,
    Founder of AVSIM Online


  • Flight Simulation's Premier Resource!

    AVSIM is a free service to the flight simulation community. AVSIM is staffed completely by volunteers and all funds donated to AVSIM go directly back to supporting the community. Your donation here helps to pay our bandwidth costs, emergency funding, and other general costs that crop up from time to time. Thank you for your support!

    Click here for more information and to see all donations year to date.
×
×
  • Create New...