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33 minutes ago, sanh said:

What is a "serious sim enthusiast"? I don't care about identifying malls or places and to suggest that's all those who are not "serious" do is incorrect and smacks of elitism. I want the simulation of flight i.e. handling the controls and testing my flying skills to land in tricky airports or bad weather.

As for your last sentence I would advise you to remember you are also sitting behind your little computer pretending to be a pilot.

Yes, pretending and buying software that simulates proper procedure (as much as it can), complex systems, and accurate flight models. If I wanted to pretend in a cardboard box with crappy gauges and stream scenery on a monitor, I would have purchased MSFS.

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2 hours ago, Boeingnut said:

If I wanted to pretend in a cardboard box with crappy gauges and stream scenery on a monitor, I would have purchased MSFS.

As the proud owner of a very nice cardboard box I sir am offended that you are trying to associate it's value to MSFS. I just want to point out that the cardboard box is a useful and complete product that has been tested by "real cardboard box users" Developers are permitted to use them for millions of product delivery addons and the developers of the cardboard boxes did nothing to kill the income of a good part of a small industry for the past year and who knows about the future. Let's show a little respect for the cardboard box...Please!!

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1 minute ago, shivers9 said:

As the proud owner of a very nice cardboard box I sir am offended that you are trying to associate it's value to MSFS. I just want to point out that the cardboard box is a useful and complete product that has been tested by "real cardboard box users" Developers are permitted to use them for millions of product delivery addons and the developers of the cardboard boxes did nothing to kill the income of a good part of a small industry for the past year and who knows about the future. Let's show a little respect for the cardboard box...Please!!

Fair enough; some of my best friends have cardboard boxes.

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6 hours ago, scotchegg said:

comments were only about what you hypothesized of MS/Asobo’s competence and intentions.

I haven't hypothesized anything ... MS have broken no laws, it's just business (control the playing field) not ethics.  I presented you with facts.

I am curious, is your angst towards LM entirely related to "some" of  the work they do for the Military?  (that seemed to bother you in one of your comments)

Many companies in the US do contract work for the Military and/or provide hardware, parts, software, etc. used by the Military which includes Microsoft, Boeing, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, United Technologies, BAE Systems, and many more.  The US Military budget for 2020 is $721 (yearly budget) with total spending at around $934 Billion ... it's a huge industry for defense contractors.  

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9 hours ago, scotchegg said:

I was responding to a suggestion MS act unethically because they avoid tax. If your moral compass doesn’t allow you to see any irony in seeing tax avoidance as unethical but not manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, then I can see how my reaction is nonsense for you.

Your only goal at Avsim is trying to stir the pot looking at your posts. Nothing else...

Grow up and try to participate in a normal way...

 

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On 10/21/2020 at 5:23 AM, Rob_Ainscough said:

 it's either being blind or cut throat, take your pick.  I'm going to assume MS/Asobo knew exactly what they were doing and what was going to happen

You said you have only given me facts. What fact is here? I see a claim and an accusation of malice, an accusation by the way picked up by several other users and not challenged by you in your reply to flycin detailing exactly how MS / Asobo benefit from their (‘assumed’ by you) plan to starve revenue streams.

No particular angst towards LM, just pointing out an irony in others’ ethics accusations against MS in an LM product forum.

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23 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Your only goal at Avsim is trying to stir the pot looking at your posts. Nothing else...

Grow up and try to participate in a normal way...

 

I can understand so openly and vocally disagreeing with people held in such high regard in this forum isn’t going to win me many friends, but do you have any logical refutation of my posts, or just accusations of childishness and trolling?

And if you’ll forgive an extra irony, it wasn’t too long ago that mods had to edit threads you started in the MSFS forum because of their pot-stirring language.

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The parameters of posts that are allowed to remain and what is quietly deleted is a mystery, the key to which is held by those who visit without comment and remove that with which they do not agree, while leaving any amount of inter-personal squabbling that presumably is deemed to be acceptable.

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1 hour ago, Reader said:

The parameters of posts that are allowed to remain and what is quietly deleted is a mystery, the key to which is held by those who visit without comment and remove that with which they do not agree, while leaving any amount of inter-personal squabbling that presumably is deemed to be acceptable.

Maybe you should read the AVSim Terms of Service.

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6 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

I haven't hypothesized anything ... MS have broken no laws, it's just business (control the playing field) not ethics.  I presented you with facts.

Rob, you're well within your rights to advance the argument, which necessarily involves speculation (because none of us are privy to their internal deliberations), that Microsoft has acted as it has to advance its business interests in a sharp-elbowed way. I don't think the full argument holds together very well (mostly because MSFS also depends on 3PDs for its long-term well-being), but thanks for finally spelling it out in any case.

So why are you so determined to walk back that argument any time anyone challenges it, even to the point of denying you're making an argument? I don't get it.

You're on the record, in this thread, as saying you choose to believe that Microsoft/ASOBO acted with intent, not "blindly," in cutting off a revenue stream for 3PDs by releasing an incomplete SDK. But rather than defend that claim -- which you know is a contentious one -- you fall back on the idea that you simply "presented [us] with facts."

Why hide the ball? You've yourself honestly noted your "angst" toward Microsoft in this thread. I can't blame scotchegg for his frustration in trying to engage with this style of argument. It's like trying to engage with sand.

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TL:DR

MSFS is fun in the cub, even the analogue 172. The minute you move up to slightly larger, the current game shows its massive limitations. 4 years spent making an amazing visual engine, and completely phoning it in when it comes to the planes, autopilot etc etc etc.

Let’s revisit this in a year or two, maybe Asobo makes some massive strides. Maybe they won’t.

until then my V5 and A2A etc will remain my main sim.

Fun fact, I was doing an FSE flight on msfs in the king air 350. It was a multi leg trip out of YARM....after the first leg I hopped off msfs and back into v5 and used the *shocker* Carenado 350i (didn’t feel like downloading Australia for Xp11 to use the Airfoil 350)...sad when the systems in a Nado glass panel aircraft are better than the flagship sim. Nothing like torque increasing with altitude or the fuel lever actually “leaning” the engine out in a turboprop to show you how much they have got wrong...


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Do P3D and XP11 have more potential than MSFS because they use DX12 and Vulcan, whereas MSFS uses DX11?

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2 minutes ago, simfan1983 said:

Do P3D and XP11 have more potential than MSFS because they use DX12 and Vulcan, whereas MSFS uses DX11?

MSFS has plans to move to DX12 also


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1 hour ago, jabloomf1230 said:

Maybe you should read the AVSim Terms of Service.

I have done so, many times. These are the key points

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AVSIM’s goal is to provide an educational and entertainment resource for people with similar interests and a community that is fun to be part of by users from around the world.

and this gives those with the forum privileges the "right" to do as they please.

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AVSIM is not a democracy, and there is no such thing as "Freedom of Speech" in our forums.

It is unfortunate that this is now imposed by silent deletion of posts selected on an unpublished basis but of course, well within the broad definition as stated.

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17 hours ago, sanh said:

I dont buy any of the theories here. If I was in charge at MS I would focus more on the sim then the SDK before release because that's what most customers are buying. 

Hello customers, here is an incomplete flight sim but check out our impressive SDK!

The problem is that MSFS isn't a flightsim. Sorry...

PS: and I think never will be. Again, sorry...

 


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