1 hour ago, ThomseN_inc said:

pretty much... of course i am not informed about Hardware that i don't use...but achieving 30Hz isn't a big thing right?

It is a big thing on ultra at 4K holding short at JFK or O'Hare in a 747 with AI traffic and multiplayer enabled and live weather on anything short of  16Gb ram, i9 with a RTX 20xx card .

The problem with these discussions is they are either talking about different things (for example the person entering a widescreen 4K discussion who runs medium/high settings on a dicky little 1080p monitor claiming 60 fps is easy) or they turn into an epeen passive boasting sessions where "what do you mean you only get 30 fps, my really basic oldschool  i9/32GB/2080ti rig with minimal overclocking has no issues" actually translates to "look at my PC it is really cool".

yes the thread is about the 3090 and yes on a 3090 getting 30 fps should be easy enough  - but not even everyone that can afford one can actually get one at present.

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

8 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

It is a big thing on ultra at 4K holding short at JFK or O'Hare in a 747 with AI traffic and multiplayer enabled and live weather on anything short of  16Gb ram, i9 with a RTX 20xx card .

The problem with these discussions is they are either talking about different things (for example the person entering a widescreen 4K discussion who runs medium/high settings on a dicky little 1080p monitor claiming 60 fps is easy) or they turn into an epeen passive boasting sessions where "what do you mean you only get 30 fps, my really basic oldschool  i9/32GB/2080ti rig with minimal overclocking has no issues" actually translates to "look at my PC it is really cool".

Yeah it's like the people having their specs in the signature. For the same reason maybe?

Anyway...i am not here to brag about my PC or how well MSFS runs on it. I just try to understand why people would play any game at lower than 60fps. If my PC wasn't able to run MSFS that way i'd rather turn down some details than insisting on playing in 4k@30Hz. But thats obviously a personal decision. Just trying  to understand...

1 hour ago, ThomseN_inc said:

Well thats a bet you would lose for sure. I have tried all that 30Hz stuff and it is obviously not the same as 60Hz or more. While it might be somewhat smooth playing at 30Hz you'll notice the big difference once you step up to 60Hz.

Nope, I have several times in areas where I didn't even have to dial back settings to cope w/ double the workload, and within short order changed back to vsync to 30Hz.   Ultra liquid smooth at 30 which is why I say in my configuration you will not notice 60 adds anything significant.  Hard to improve on liquid smooth, stutter-free.  If you're not seeing that at 30Hz something's amiss in your configuration.  Same same in P3D v4.5.   

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by Noel

1 minute ago, ThomseN_inc said:

Yeah it's like the people having their specs in the signature. For the same reason maybe?

To be fair many users choose to have their specs in their signature so they don't have to type them out each time they ask the community for help with a problem, or when they're talking about their experience with the sim and people ask them what hardware they are running for comparing to their own systems. It's not necessarily them trying to show off. 

6 minutes ago, Noel said:

Believe me, I have several times and within short order change back to vsync to 30Hz.  Little to no difference, ultra liquid smooth.  If you're not seeing that at 30Hz something's amiss in your configuration.  Same same in P3D v4.5.

I am happy for you. But tell me why should i bother playing down at 30Hz while i can have 60Hz? Only because there might be a little headroom for some addon in an unknown future? Nope, thanks 🙂

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by ThomseN_inc

4 minutes ago, Jeeper said:

To be fair many users choose to have their specs in their signature so they don't have to type them out each time they ask the community for help with a problem, or when they're talking about their experience with the sim and people ask them what hardware they are running for comparing to their own systems. It's not necessarily them trying to show off. 

They must be asking for help alot then.🙂

3 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

They must be asking for help alot then.🙂

With MSFS in its current state, that just might be the case. 😊

There are more 3080's reaching the stores here in Aus. I've finally managed to buy one. 

I was almost giving up and about to buy a 3090. Umart are getting 6 3080's online per day as "in stock", on average, mainly Gigabyte models and occasional Asus TUF. Again you need to be very quick to snag one. 

 

 

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by dogmanbird

Just now, dogmanbird said:

There are more 3080's reaching the stores here in Aus. I've finally managed to buy one. 

Meanwhile the UK gets a shipment of about 10 per week.

yeah, you know the worlds a mess when Australia gets priority on anything, and pricing 

RTX3090, how would MSFS 2020 RUN?

coming from a 2080ti, you get the smoothest experience with the new 3090 no matter 30fps or 60fps, thats my experience.  It's simply the fastest horse and ready for the new directX 12 features.

 

Just wait for the first VR MSFS reviews! (if you are more interested, continue reading below)

 

This review compares the 2080ti vs. 3090 in VR racing games. Thats also my own experience, especially with Assetto Corsa Competizione, it runs ok with the 2080ti but

its a new world with the 3090, for the first time no Reprojection or Motion Smoothing needed.

https://youtu.be/aXIYeI6a3-Y

 

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Nope, I have several times in areas where I didn't even have to dial back settings to cope w/ double the workload, and within short order changed back to vsync to 30Hz.   Ultra liquid smooth at 30 which is why I say in my configuration you will not notice 60 adds anything significant.  Hard to improve on liquid smooth, stutter-free.  If you're not seeing that at 30Hz something's amiss in your configuration.  Same same in P3D v4.5.   

There’s no doubt you can fly at 30fps and enjoy it. This is not like a first person shooter where you’re panning around rapidly almost constantly. That kind of gaming at 30fps is horrible. However, my brother who has played exclusively on a PlayStation for years, thinks 30fps is great, because that’s all he knows. But when he tried the same game on my PC, he was blown away. He couldn’t believe how much smoother everything was. When we play multi-player, I have to log into my PS4 and dread it.  30Fps is horrible in most games.

Anyway, while I wait for a new CPU, I’m flying around at 40-50fps (4K) and it’s largely ok, until I try doing some exploration in the drone... then it gets ugly. And Photogrametry can have my FPS drop below 30 where it starts to feel like a slide show. I need more FPS. 

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by Virtual-Chris

56 minutes ago, Nedo68 said:

RTX3090, how would MSFS 2020 RUN?

coming from a 2080ti, you get the smoothest experience with the new 3090 no matter 30fps or 60fps, thats my experience.  It's simply the fastest horse and ready for the new directX 12 features.

 

Just wait for the first VR MSFS reviews! (if you are more interested, continue reading below)

 

This review compares the 2080ti vs. 3090 in VR racing games. Thats also my own experience, especially with Assetto Corsa Competizione, it runs ok with the 2080ti but

its a new world with the 3090, for the first time no Reprojection or Motion Smoothing needed.

https://youtu.be/aXIYeI6a3-Y

 

It would seem like MSFS would benefit greatly from DLSS. I wonder if that’s in the cards?

2 hours ago, ThomseN_inc said:

They must be asking for help alot then.🙂

It`s so when you say no problem running this sim they don`t ask what`s your specs😁.

PS if you post on developers forum with a problem the first thing they will ask what`s your PC specs and what settings.

Edited December 11, 20205 yr by G-RFRY

23 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

It would seem like MSFS would benefit greatly from DLSS. I wonder if that’s in the cards?

all RTX cards 20 & 30 series have this build in but the games have to support it, we have to see when dx12 comes to MSFS.