7 hours ago, Manny said:

Lets not be hard on him. He seems new.

If he was an old timer, I would have given him hell! 🙂

I know, but for goodness sake, why don't they do some research before spouting off nonsense. It just winds me up!

1 minute ago, SierraHotel said:

I know, but for goodness sake, why don't they do some research before spouting off nonsense. It just winds me up!

Whats the difficulty with just ignoring posts that you are not interested in?

He`s not read the TMC do not criticise MSFS on Avsim he`s new.

The AP "death spiral" is caused by a bug in the AP that was added in Patch 7 and will hopefully be fixed in the next patch.

I just had it happen to me for the first time today.  Ended up flying the rest of the flight manually.  

I have heard that setting a larger deadzone on your controller might help, because the "integral windup" on the AP happens when it has to fight small deflections if your controller isn't reading 0 with hands off.

 

21 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

Whats the difficulty with just ignoring posts that you are not interested in?

And miss out of the momentary dopamine hit that goes with being condescending? They can't. 

The scenery and environment is really nice. Looking at the total range of AC and how they perform is below acceptance...

And what MS/Asobo writes means not that much to me ; what they release and how well everything works does ...

Keep in mind that MSFS will be released for XBox this summer so let’s hope that the biggest issues will be fixed by then...

 

 

 

"bellow acceptance?"

 

 

you say that like you're the arbiter of whatever line "acceptance" is.  

 

(you're not that arbiter)  

4 hours ago, w6kd said:

A few here seem to think it's stylish to pile on and denigrate someone who is expressing legit frustration with the sim.

It's not stylish, nor is it acceptable here.  Consider yourself forewarned.

I think many of these "complaint" threads where the user says they switch back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstall MSFS, are becoming unproductive.  At the same time, they stir up a lot of controversy, get a lot of posts, and and suck up the air from other more productive threads.

Maybe consider having a sticky post for all these "complaint" threads to consolidate them under a single thread?  People can all air their grievances in the sticky post and write about why they switched back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstalled MSFS.  To be honest, at this point, I don't care about these type of threads, and wish they would all be consolidated under a longer sticky post.

This isn't to say all complaints should be put in that sticky post. Legit complaints about specific problems after new patches, such as the autopilot issue, lighting issue, water issues, etc, should always have their own specific thread for discussion - these are actually productive threads that Asobo can read if they ever come into the Avsim MSFS forum.  But these "complaint" threads where the user switches back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstalls MSFS ... .... yeah, these are getting old, they are unproductive, many of us really don't care, and it would be better if all these threads are consolidated into a single sticky post so it doesn't suck up all the air from the MSFS forum.

 

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by abrams_tank

16 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I think many of these "complaint" threads where the user says they switch back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstall MSFS, are becoming unproductive.  At the same time, they stir up a lot of controversy, get a lot of posts, and and suck up the air from other more productive threads.

Maybe consider having a sticky post for all these "complaint" threads to consolidate them under a single thread?  People can all air their grievances in the sticky post and write about why they switched back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstalled MSFS.  To be honest, at this point, I don't care about these type of threads, and wish they would all be consolidated under a longer sticky post.

This isn't to say all complaints should be put in that sticky post. Legit complaints about specific problems after new patches, such as the autopilot issue, lighting issue, water issues, etc, should always have their own specific thread for discussion - these are actually productive threads that Asobo can read if they ever come into the Avsim MSFS forum.  But these "complaint" threads where the user switches back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstalls MSFS ... .... yeah, these are getting old, they are unproductive, many of us really don't care, and it would be better if all these threads are consolidated into a single sticky post so it doesn't suck up all the air from the MSFS forum.

 

I think what really turns these posts to being unproductive is those people who are actually not interested in it but keep  jumping onto it and go crazy as seen above. If those guys would simply ignore these posts we'd have much less hate going on.

Different story but as you mention sticky posts... Those "Update out! Downloading now!" threads are a PITA too and should be put into a dedicated thread.

Just my five cents

 

1 hour ago, ThomseN_inc said:

I think what really turns these posts to being unproductive is those people who are actually not interested in it but keep  jumping onto it and go crazy as seen above. If those guys would simply ignore these posts we'd have much less hate going on.

Different story but as you mention sticky posts... Those "Update out! Downloading now!" threads are a PITA too and should be put into a dedicated thread.

Just my five cents

I agree, it would certainly clear up the word not allowed, and keep it in one place..

 

6 hours ago, w6kd said:

A few here seem to think it's stylish to pile on and denigrate someone who is expressing legit frustration with the sim.

It's not stylish, nor is it acceptable here.  Consider yourself forewarned.

Not before time.

Where is the crime in expecting something paid for to actually work out of the box?

Some of you should take a look at how childish you sound. 

3 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I think many of these "complaint" threads where the user says they switch back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstall MSFS, are becoming unproductive.  At the same time, they stir up a lot of controversy, get a lot of posts, and and suck up the air from other more productive threads.

Maybe consider having a sticky post for all these "complaint" threads to consolidate them under a single thread?  People can all air their grievances in the sticky post and write about why they switched back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstalled MSFS.  To be honest, at this point, I don't care about these type of threads, and wish they would all be consolidated under a longer sticky post.

This isn't to say all complaints should be put in that sticky post. Legit complaints about specific problems after new patches, such as the autopilot issue, lighting issue, water issues, etc, should always have their own specific thread for discussion - these are actually productive threads that Asobo can read if they ever come into the Avsim MSFS forum.  But these "complaint" threads where the user switches back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstalls MSFS ... .... yeah, these are getting old, they are unproductive, many of us really don't care, and it would be better if all these threads are consolidated into a single sticky post so it doesn't suck up all the air from the MSFS forum.

Sure the complaints threads are getting repetitive, but that's because the issues continue to affect users. The sim has some amazing features, but also frustrations which have not been helped by botched updates.

There have been regular posts calling for complaints about MSFS to be isolated in a seperate area.  Mostly from the same group who like to jump on anyone complaining, and then support each other with Likes and Upvotes. So who would be the arbiter of legitimate complaints? 

Manufacturers love this. It allows them to get away with so much. Users make a judgement about a product and convince themselves to buy it, often based on marketing hype. If the product is less than perfect a certain proportion of buyers will never admit this, because they could never be misled or be wrong about anything.

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I think many of these "complaint" threads where the user says they switch back to P3D/XPlane, or uninstall MSFS, are becoming unproductive.  At the same time, they stir up a lot of controversy, get a lot of posts, and and suck up the air from other more productive threads.

This a straw man argument--if you go back and read the OP's post, he did none of those things.

 

9 hours ago, marsman2020 said:

The AP "death spiral" is caused by a bug in the AP that was added in Patch 7 and will hopefully be fixed in the next patch.

I just had it happen to me for the first time today.  Ended up flying the rest of the flight manually.  

I have heard that setting a larger deadzone on your controller might help, because the "integral windup" on the AP happens when it has to fight small deflections if your controller isn't reading 0 with hands off.

 

Uh no. That AP bug has been there since the initial release of MSFS. It occurs quite randomly and for some users not at all. The Patch #7 AP bug has to do with the AP not following the correct heading , often after a turn. Asobo has admitted to that bug and said that it will be corrected. 

17 hours ago, paulluck said:

He's been an Avsim member since 2003.

What's your point?  That he's been a member long before MSFS came out?

 

Maybe he just got the sim and is frustrated!

 

I'd give him some slack as his points with the stock experience are completely valid and maybe he's not aware yet of all the 3rd party unofficial fixes.