24 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I've never asked to give them my opinion. But a YTber with XXX number of followers, that knows nothing about the airplane (one did not even know how to properly start the sim) gets a free copy to test and share. LOL!

That's why I haven't bothered watching most of the streaming videos etc for this thing. Can't be doing with seeing some plonker who doesn't even know where the door handle is on a PA28 (and I'm not joking, there genuinely  was one preview video of this which does that) 'demonstrating' how it flies it to us. 🤣

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by Chock

I can tell you one thing guys! On hot day CFI is was cooler in PA28!

I used to do double club check outs for AVX and for PA28R 

Spot an Arrow 🙂

28 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Only! LOL!

I sat in a PA-28 once. It was a white one with a red stripe! 

I don't even remember colors of those I flown. I meant there was some white for sure, but stripes color...Mmm... Nadaaa LOL

6 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

I can tell you one thing guys! On hot day CFI is was cooler in PA28!

I used to do double club check outs for AVX and for PA28R 

Spot an Arrow 🙂

You can actually see one of the best features about the PA28 in that pic (apart from being able to latch the door open on a hot day, not something which matters much in the UK lol), and that's its low CoG and wide-track landing gear. You'd be doing well to get a PA28 up on two wheels, whereas you can definitely do that in a Cessna with an over-zealous turn. 😮

I think people who train in a low wing Piper to get their PPL, swear by low wings especially Pipers. I got  trained on the high wing Cessna 172SP,  180HP  and later flown 182s a little bit on the 152 (A tad too light) and totally comfortable with high wings and Cessna. But I do get nervous on the Pipers.. Especially since there is no door on the left side. I was like WTH the first time... I did not get comfortable on the Pipers at all. Single or Multi Engine.. I just went through the grind. 🙂 Later on I  flew the 6 seater Piper Seneca trying to get my Multi IFR.... and then flew some Angel Wings trips. That was the biggest aircraft I have flown.

 

6 minutes ago, Manny said:

I think people who train in a low wing Piper to get their PPL, swear by low wings especially Pipers. I got  trained on the high wing Cessna 172SP,  180HP  and later flown 182s a little bit on the 152 (A tad too light) and totally comfortable with high wings and Cessna. But I do get nervous on the Pipers.. Especially since there is no door on the left side. I was like WTH the first time... I did not get comfortable on the Pipers at all. Single or Multi Engine.. I just went through the grind. 🙂 Later on I  flew the 6 seater Piper Seneca trying to get my Multi IFR.... and then flew some Angel Wings trips. That was the biggest aircraft I have flown.

 

This actually pretty common. People usually really root to their initial trainers. I was seriously  terrified flying 152 after Archer LOL I also seen plenty of folks who after getting their certificate in Cessna 172 and trying PA28  for the first time call it laggy as bus! LOL

45 minutes ago, Chock said:

You can actually see one of the best features about the PA28 in that pic (apart from being able to latch the door open on a hot day, not something which matters much in the UK lol), and that's its low CoG and wide-track landing gear. You'd be doing well to get a PA28 up on two wheels, whereas you can definitely do that in a Cessna with an over-zealous turn. 😮

This one of those places when one appreciate to have opened door during taxi in the summer 🙂

16 minutes ago, Manny said:

I think people who train in a low wing Piper to get their PPL, swear by low wings especially Pipers. I got  trained on the high wing Cessna 172SP,  180HP  and later flown 182s a little bit on the 152 (A tad too light) and totally comfortable with high wings and Cessna.

That's certainly one of the reasons why companies make trainer aeroplanes; it helps to promote brand loyalty. When Piper first produced the PA28, they set up a scheme where anyone could get a trial lesson in a PA28 for five dollars at any Piper aeroplane dealership. Of course it also helped that the PA28 was cheaper to buy than the Cessna 172 and the PA24 was cheaper than a Bonanza, but they knew that if people trained on a Piper, they were more likely to buy a PA28 or a PA24 or recommend that their company bought one.

Adobe did the same thing with Photoshop. They made a point of rarely going after students who they knew were using knock off copies of their software, because they knew that eventually those people would be the ones working at companies where they had to recommend which software their employer would purchase.  That's pretty much how Photoshop became the industry standard for image editing. They'll never admit that lol, but it's true.

Yup. Thats how Garmin became a de-facto standard GPS for airplanes too. They gave away their trainers in DVDs for like $15 (Cost of dvd + shipping)  while Bendix king sued flight simmers for doing anything to copy their GPS. BTW..I still have a Bendix-King GPS addon for FS9 saved somewhere. My Precious 🙂

There is one Jet firm that doesn't allow their aircraft on the sim. I forget its name. They have oval windows. Gulfstream? 

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by Manny

13 minutes ago, Manny said:

There is one Jet firm that doesn't allow their aircraft on the sim. I forget its name. They have oval windows. Gulfstream? 

Yes that is them.  I have never understood it.

The only thing I flew up until commercial-multi was high-wing Cessnas. Not that I had anything against low wings, I just never trained where they were readily available. Now having flown both. I still love high wings for sightseeing...but give me a low wing any day, especially if it is retractable! And yes, although no longer required by the FAA for a commercial cert (and I understand their reasoning - I'm just not sure I agree with it), I would encourage anyone to get complex and high performance endorsements to round out your experience....and tailwheel!

Anyway, the Arrow looks like it will be a really nice addition to the MSFS fleet.

I haven't really been following the Arrow. What extra does it bring to the table at that price point over something like the Mooney or a modded Bonanza? Better flight modelling? More in-depth systems modelling?

12 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes that is them.  I have never understood it.

Potentially dates back to the 911 period and the sensationalist popular press wanting to ban flight simming altogether.  Who knows.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-357006/The-flight-software-trains-terrorists.html

 

14 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes that is them.  I have never understood it.

May be because they have been called "g-string" or "foreskin", so they are rated "R" for sim community LOL

I think the lack of Gulfstream is due to zealous IP protection. They are very protective of their brand name/image. You don’t see even manuals etc published online, even for the older stuff like my favorite biz jet the old G4 SP.