59 minutes ago, Tektolnes said:

I haven't really been following the Arrow. What extra does it bring to the table at that price point over something like the Mooney or a modded Bonanza? Better flight modelling? More in-depth systems modelling?

These are the big advantages I see:

3 different GPS configurations that you can switch between (a non-Asobo retro GPS100, GNS430, GNS530)

Extra failure modes beyond the default in-sim failures:

• Vapor lock
• Oil consumption
• Spark plug fouling
• Fast battery drain with a battery recharge option (The stock sim supports battery drain as well, but this is likely a better version)

State saving between uses of the aircraft

Much more comprehensive manual/documentation

It doesn't seem to be A2A-level, but some nice extra stuff.  I've never owned a Just Flight product so can't comment on how the flight model might feel/

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by marsman2020

I just read the whole manual, it's a nice aircraft but almost $50? The Aerosoft CRJ will cost that... I am not sure, probably will wait for a sale.

2 hours ago, snglecoil said:

 would encourage anyone to get complex and high performance endorsements to round out your experience....and tailwheel!

Anyway, the Arrow looks like it will be a really nice addition to the MSFS fleet.

I concur, After my ASEL PPL I asked the school If I should start the IFR, they said, since you are a hobbyist and not seeking Airliner jobs, you should get your tailwheel endorsement and they had a 10 hr Tailwheel package sign off. So I took that on the Citabria. And they endorsed  my log book at the end,. But I was  not comfortable taking the Citarbia on my own still so I asked the owner (he is a CFI too) what I need to do..and he said, He doesn't care if I needed another 2 hours or another 30 hours, but I needed to demonstrate to him that I can do 3 consecutive landings at Ft. Worth  Alliance airport (8K runway) on a gusty/Windy day, I land with the two wheels on both sides of the center line without crossing and then run the entire length in that position and then take off again. If I can do that, 3 consecutive times, he would let me fly either the Citabria or the American Decathlon on my own. It took me additional 18 hours on the tailwheel to do that. Flying the Cessna 172 with precision became easy peasy after that.  Learning to to fly the Tailwheel right after getting my Single License at  70hrs, was learning to fly all over again.  The Wind position, Its strength and gust  was on my mind constantly.. Wind, became an obsession.  

Then  I flew long distance.. on the 172, Flew with friends from Dallas to New Orleans for a 3 day Fishing trip on the Bayou, talking to ATC became comfortable, went through class Bravo Airspace (DFW and New Orleans ) to land   at Lakefront airport (before the Katrina Disaster). Only after all that, I started my Multi Engine and IFR. I can never get 1st class Medical. My left eye cannot get better than 20/30 even with corrective lens. My right eye is 20/20. If I could, I would have left my cushy job at the big 5 and gone commercial/Airline. 🙂

Fun fun! 🙂
 

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by Manny

3 hours ago, Chock said:

That's why I haven't bothered watching most of the streaming videos etc for this thing. Can't be doing with seeing some plonker who doesn't even know where the door handle is on a PA28 (and I'm not joking, there genuinely  was one preview video of this which does that) 'demonstrating' how it flies it to us. 🤣

The Aus Flight Simmer stream seems popular because he is just a normal guy with something like a Recreational Licence or basic PPL in the real world who just has a bit of fun. Hence his comments are going to be things like "the flaps sound good" not "the fuel flow at 2350 rpm with 18.5 manifold is high by a gallon per hour" . 

In terms of the Arrow stream, the main reason to participate is there was a Just Flight representative there answering questions about the Arrow release.

No issue with videos like that, nobody has to be that nerdy with a video. I was talking about something completely different, where someone actually made a preview video for this thing having quite clearly never even looked at the product for a microsecond, prior to commencing a video and then when something puzzled them, they didn't even bother to either edit/re-record stuff. If this is the kind of 'influencer' who they chose to show off the features of the thing with an early freebie, then it doesn't really say much for the judgement of their marketing personnel. 🤣

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by Chock

So guys lets speculate what does "soon" means. This week? Next week? Or like ATS Simulation "patch coming soon" over 2 month and nothing! LOL

6 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

So guys lets speculate what does "soon" means. This week? Next week? Or like ATS Simulation "patch coming soon" over 2 month and nothing! LOL

 

This was their comment when asked about that in the stream:

JustFlight@Copper Mine      Regular one this week we hope or early next week. Turbo a couple of weeks tops off

This week, probably Friday

Just now, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

 

This was their comment when asked about that in the stream:

JustFlight@Copper Mine      Regular one this week we hope or early next week. Turbo a couple of weeks tops off

This is message from this week? Because I read something like that two weeks ago ?

I want it now, take my money...

I doubt I'd buy both of them, would probably get the Turbo version.

1 minute ago, Chock said:

This week, probably Friday

Fingers crossed! We need it! We want it! LOL

Just now, sd_flyer said:

Fingers crossed! We need it! We want it! LOL

+1

They popped their sale last weekend. Doing this often precedes a JF release by a week, since it increases traffic to their site in the run up to the release. Historically, their releases are very often on a Friday. This is what makes me think it will be Friday.

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by Chock

6 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Regular one this week we hope or early next week. Turbo a couple of weeks tops off

What will be the price?

- Full price for the N/A and free turbo?

- Full price for the N/A and full price for the turbo?

- Full price for the N/A and discount for the turbo?

 

I don't really see myself paying 100$ for nearly the same thing

Edited March 3, 20215 yr by bendead