1 hour ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Then try working with it yourself ... because what you want to believe isn’t helping get a better SDK.  Have you actually used it and read the documentation?  ...

Cheers, Rob.

Being not a devleoper, I am not arguing about completeness of the SDK. However, given this state, I feel the better solution over complaining would be to work with Asobo to improve it. I understand, some developers are going this way - for the benefit of users like me.

Kind regards, Michael

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by pmb

On 2/1/2021 at 1:21 AM, blaunarwal said:

I never used MSFS so far.... There's so much to add to the default scenery in MSFS, so much you need to improve and to spend money.

Dan

What planet do you live on Dan?  JK, but these comments are just flat out bizarre!  It was P3D that needed $100s to $1000 to just make tolerable!  In fact I do fly in P3D when it looks best: from dusk to dawn!  Once the sun comes up I run for cover!.  One of the reasons some don't find the need to purchase 3rd party airports is the default airports in MSFS are so much better than the absolute garbage packaged w/ P3D here 10+y later.  The fact is you can load default MSFS and find yourself in scenery and atmosphere that is far more compelling than anything that came before it at this scale.  In fact it's really much more this:  do you really need ANY add-on airports?  Here's what I mean Dan, who has never used MSFS:

Lovely Nice FR:

Lovely Buffalo Bill Reservoir just outside of Yellowstone:

Fabulous Fussen, Bavaria:

Rotenburg ob der Tauber, Bavaria:

You know where this is:

I love to show this little pearl, this nothing burger rural strip 40m outside of Denver.  Looks just like the real thing:

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by Noel

@NoelYour MSFS looks like mine.  It has the weird pixelated look.  I haven't really dove in to the sim yet and tried to tweak though.

2 minutes ago, micstatic said:

@NoelYour MSFS looks like mine.  It has the weird pixelated look.  I haven't really dove in to the sim yet and tried to tweak though.

Well these are compressed images the real deal is nothing short of spectacular!  

19 minutes ago, Noel said:

What planet do you live on Dan?  JK, but these comments are just flat out bizarre!  It was P3D that needed $100s to $1000 to just make tolerable!  In fact I do fly in P3D when it looks best: from dusk to dawn!  Once the sun comes up I run for cover!.  One of the reasons some don't find the need to purchase 3rd party airports is the default airports in MSFS are so much better than the absolute garbage packaged w/ P3D here 10+y later.  The fact is you can load default MSFS and find yourself in scenery and atmosphere that is far more compelling than anything that came before it at this scale.  In fact it's really much more this:  do you really need ANY add-on airports?  Here's what I mean Dan, who has never used MSFS:

Without the use of the current 3rd party add-ons, how realistic do the city centres of London, Paris, Sydney, Hong Kong or Singapore in vanilla MSFS look?

The point is that, yes, default MSFS is a step above the default P3D or XP for photorealistic and autogen scenery.
However, discerning flight simmers will point to those cities and say that 3rd party add-ons are needed to make those cities at least resemble in MSFS what the real world counterparts look like - no different to what occurs with either P3D or XP.
 

8 minutes ago, micstatic said:

@NoelYour MSFS looks like mine.  It has the weird pixelated look.  I haven't really dove in to the sim yet and tried to tweak though.

On my PC setup, the slider for Render Scaling needs to be up at 140 for the pixelation to be reduced sufficiently to get a crisp image.

On my 1070 and three monitors, that drops the FPS to an unacceptable level.
I'm waiting (impatiently) to get my hands on some component upgrades.

12 minutes ago, Noel said:

What planet do you live on Dan?

Hi Noel

The P3D Planet of course 😉

Youre completey right, MSFS looks great at first sight and from far. What you say about out of the box MSFS, that was the promise Asobo made and I also thought, they do such a great job, this sim does not need any addons for the world. Also they promised extremely accurate aircraft.

Now I see, just all these "unneeded" addons are sold 🤔.

I don´t want this to become a discussion about MSFS against P3D. Just let´s say this, I had taken the step, if the promises were kept. I think, they were not. 

So of course, I don´t have the same level of world detail in P3D, everywhere, but certainly in aircraft detail. And I already bought them. So why should I change?

Dan

 

6 hours ago, mpo910 said:

I would like to ask everyone gently not to post "against" any platform here.....

...Please stop the MSFS against P3D kind of thing.....

There is no "against". 😉

 

Marcus  

Thanks for this post! Just brilliant! 😎

Richard.

22 minutes ago, DrumsArt said:

Thanks for this post! Just brilliant! 😎

Richard.

Your welcome. 

Great would be:

Eye candy MSFS with Performance and Complexe Airliners plus P3D SDK matched............that would be my ideal flightsimulator. 

But.......I will dream on.

;-)

 

3 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

Your welcome. 

Great would be:

Eye candy MSFS with Performance and Complexe Airliners plus P3D SDK matched............that would be my ideal flightsimulator. 

But.......I will dream on.

😉

 

At the rate of changes to the MS2020 SDK is having we could end up with all platforms having nice eye candy results.. just saying.. XP / P3D development and evolution is still on going..

S.

1 minute ago, simbol said:

At the rate of changes to the MS2020 SDK is having we could end up with all platforms having nice eye candy results.. just saying.. XP / P3D development and evolution is still on going..

S.

You know that I know S. ;-). And I can't hardly wait to get it in my hands.... 😉

 

3 hours ago, Noel said:

What planet do you live on Dan?

Dunno about Dan. I like the look of MSFS. But P3Dv5 has more options (although not nearly enough) for jetliners, especially the not-so-much-glass kind. Trying to fly an instrument departure or arrival by radio navigation doesn't give you much of a chance to admire the scenery, except when on the ground. Some, but not much. More class, less glass--that's where I'll follow. So, for me, most of the comparisons are moot. P3D is better for me.

Well I use both about the same now.  I use the best P3D has to offer:  dusk to dawn flights in the PMDG birds, GSX II, FSCaptain.  I love it!  It makes sense to have excellent payware terminals if this is all you do, but you do not need anything else but Orbx Global and perhaps Vector, though I don't have the latter.  I had all the Orbx regionals pretty much and don't use most of them any more because really what matter for dusk to dawn flights is excellent airports and decent night lighting and excellent performance so I turn down autogen/vegetation/distance detail because it doesn't matter in those low lighting conditions, and I enjoy the crisp night lighting of P3D in the NGXu and 777.  Today, for the first time since August 2020, I took up a former favorite EMB 505 Phenom 300 w/ GTN750 up out of KGUC as I had done it recently in MSFS, but during the daytime in P3D for a change.  Just really crude by comparison to MSFS, so I hit Ctrl-Break shortly after getting halfway to altitude and that was that. 

Here's a cool shot of my approach into my home strip KBJC near Denver CO.  It is a very plausible scene if you live in the Front Range area.  This is looking SE across the flat towards some squalls:

Reading some comments here, I feel this is getting like a football teams competition, you do know that you can still have both and be happy? I mean if someone is happy with P3D or MSFS so be it or even both so be it. I use both XP (not P3D but just an example) and MSFS and I invest on both and I don't see any problems using the same thing with P3D and MSFS. As I say, we are grateful to have more choices that would produce new creative ways of innovations. Just my two cents.

Also one thing is, these topics mine better than yours is getting tiring. We almost talk the same points, like an infinite loop. 

Edited February 3, 20215 yr by omarsmak30

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Here's a cool shot of my approach into my home strip KBJC near Denver CO.  It is a very plausible scene if you live in the Front Range area.  This is looking SE across the flat towards some squalls:

Great photo by the way!


MSFS has raised the bar in a lot of respects, yet there are still plenty of areas that third party developers will get involved in. They will continue to raise the bar within their own areas of expertise. We're going to see the same areas improved as in 'legacy sims':

• Airports and airfields (more custom modelling, textures and extra detailing)
• Aircraft
• AI traffic models
• Cityscapes and other POI
• Sky, cloud and bodies of water textures
• Ground handling (GSX and equivalents)
• Night lighting (street and building, as well as the night sky)
• Sounds (artificial, e.g. aircraft engines & road traffic, and natural, e.g. birds & shoreline waves)
• Tools (camera, replay, pax interaction, add-on management)

Even Jörg Neumann admits as much:

Quote

From the get-go we talked to third-parties. Their career and livelihood depend on the things they do, and we wanted to be respectful of that.

We thought that if we overshoot too far, we are actually damaging those people’s businesses. We clearly don’t want that.

Source: https://twinfinite.net/2021/02/microsoft-flight-simulator-interview/
 

18 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

Reading some comments here, I feel this is getting like a football teams competition, you do know that you can still have both and be happy? I mean if someone is happy with P3D or MSFS so be it or even both so be it. I use both XP (not P3D but just an example) and MSFS and I invest on both and I don't see any problems using the same thing with P3D and MSFS. As I say, we are grateful to have more choices that would produce new creative ways of innovations. Just my two cents.

Also one thing is, these topics mine better than yours is getting tiring. We almost talk the same points, like an infinite loop. 

I agree it's just awesome to have both, or all three whatever meets your needs.  My very first flight sim was an old wooden sawhorse that we tacked plywood on one side and then drew avionics on it and fashioned a yoke!  Pure imagination!  I really find myself enjoying the heck out of both P3D and MSFS pretty much equally.   I love the dusk to dawn flights in P3D and everything else in MSFS.   They are both so different it's about like vociferously defending your position on which is better, apples or oranges