Does the real CRJ can download flight plan or does the pilot need to enter it manually ?

I understand the will to have it in an A320 because it is a fair representation of the aircraft capacity but if the CRJ does not have the equivalent of an ATSU then it is not an issue.

Anyway certainly not a show stopper for me, dealing with the FMS is part of the fun in that kind of aircraft.

24 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Its a 2 min job to enter the flight plan.

Flight planing is all part of flying an airliner. Simbief is great. I do agree I wish you could import a Simbrif route into the CRJ. But also think the CRJ is a short hop airliner so its not like entering a 10 hour flight into a 747 manualy.

Yup, but it's a two minute job that lots of people who have MSFS don't want to do. You only have to look at all those 'influencer' videos with people trying to line up the 747 from the external view with no avionics use whatsoever to know where a large number of MSFS users are coming from. They're not going to want to learn an FMC and they're not going to even know what simbrief is, or care; they're going to maybe buy this thing when it goes in a sale on the store for half price, and then still think that's expensive.

Edited February 26, 20215 yr by Chock

3 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

 

I hope that's not the case, if it is, I'm guessing Aerosoft just reduced the buyer base by about 20%.

Now you got me wondering how many sales will be lost when everyone finds out the Aerosoft CRJ doesn't have an auto throttle 😨

1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

Dont ask me to link the wing flex or about simbief there topic is a nightmare to read though and I am not posting in there forums with there moron buttons active.

 

Agree... I hate those MORON buttons !

1 hour ago, Chock said:

Yup, but it's a two minute job that lots of people who have MSFS don't want to do. You only have to look at all those 'influencer' videos with people trying to line up the 747 from the external view with no avionics use whatsoever to know where a large number of MSFS users are coming from. They're not going to want to learn an FMC and they're not going to even know what simbrief is, or care; they're going to maybe buy this thing when it goes in a sale on the store for half price, and then still think that's expensive.

Well honestly... Having the option to import a flightplan quickly is a good thing. Even if it is not realistic, setting up everything for a flight specially with using VR can take some time and reducing this by eliminating pure busywork. Same as using Simbrief by itself. I mean I could use Navigraph and look for waypoints and Airways myself but after a full workday and a workout+ shower+ eating there is only so much time left of the day. 

Just input a toggle somewhere flightplan import enabled or disabled and everyone benefits. 

I remember being annoyed when the Majestic Q400 had no option to import from PFPX.  That is until I realized that the vast majority of my regional flights only had a handful of waypoints, many were actually just direct transitions from a SID to a STAR, even easier.

Even most longer regional flights you’re going to punch in jetways rather than a bunch of individual waypoints for a good chunk of the flight in most cases.

The only thing that was slightly problematic/annoying for me was having to write down my flight plan and then inevitably not being able to read my own writing and messing up a waypoint.  Now I have a second monitor and just keep my simbrief flightplan on there so nothing is lost in illegible translation and I don’t have to take the time to write it out.

All that to say while I wouldn’t want to manually program my flight plan for medium to long haul aircraft, on regionals it’s no big deal for me.

2 hours ago, Moria15 said:

agreed.. if it doesn't populate from the inbuilt MSFS flight planner, then it's a no buy option for many I would have thought as that will preclude the ability to just fire up and fly.

I would suspect that the majority of users have no inclination to spend 10 minutes in the cockpit inputting a flight plan or using something like simbrief to pre-plan their flight and import a flight plan.

We don't even know yet if things such as simbrief will be capable of running on an Xbox yet so that may remove the entire Xbox community from sales.

Seems like a very restrictive option and will lead to a lot of lost sales of the aircraft and would be the first aircraft, including the 737, that does not have this capability so I really am not sure this will be the case.

Graham

The CRJ is not intended to be an aircraft that one can just “fire up and fly”. 

People complain because there are no complex “study level”™️ aircraft in MSFS, and then when one finally arrives will complain because it is... complex. 

The default MSFS flight planner is worthless - especially when using the default NavBlue database, which (at least in the US), has many missing or obsolete procedures.

Although some airline CRJs have the ability to download flight plans via ACARS, many do not, and crews have to manually enter them. As a flight planning tool, Simbrief is far superior to the default planner, and will (at least in the US) automatically give you the most recent r/w ATC flight plan that was used between a given city pair, instead of the fictitious (and often very wrong) routing that the MSFS planner will typically come up with.

Based on “The Dude’s” FMS tutorial, It appears the MSFS version will be like the P3D version, in that it will be possible to load passengers fuel and cargo quickly through the EFB, and automatically transfer the values to the FMS performance page, and also use the EFB to set the V speeds automatically. This is a “simplification” of sorts, because both functions have to be done manually in the real aircraft. 

A small number of R/W CRJs have had an STC installed that will permit the aircraft to automatically fly the vertical profile of a WAAS LPV approach, but most airline CRJs do not have that option, so the vertical part of an RNAV approach has to be flown manually using the vertical speed function of the autopilot. That can only be done safely if a real approach chart is used to show the profile and any altitude constraints.

There probably will be a percentage of potential buyers of the Aerosoft CRJ who will not buy it because it is not “simplified”. The real airplane does not have autothrottles, or full VNAV, or the ability to fly RNP approaches. It cannot do an autoland. It is not an aircraft where one can simply press LNAV/VNAV 10 seconds after takeoff, engage the autopilot and sit back for the next two hours and watch while the aircraft does everything for you. 

2 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

People complain because there are no complex “study level”™️ aircraft in MSFS, and then when one finally arrives will complain because it is... complex. 

But some might want a "study level aircraft" for its flying part, not for its pre-flight part as well. One doesn't preclude the other, it is just a matter of having the possibility to auto-fill the preflight part as quickly and as painlessly as possible when you just want to hop in and fly with a well made and realistic aircraft.

Simbrief and Navigraph work until they don't. There are many airports not in their databases and then they refuse any flightplanning at all. That is when the ingame flightplanner comes in handy. It has it's flaws, but at least you can add any airport to your route. The missing ones are also not always just tiny grass strips.

So an import function would simply make sense. As I said, simply provide a toggle option to hide the menu option if someone doesn't like that. It also helps to import a flightplan from simbrief into the default planner to look for the actual weather in the sim. 

 

3 minutes ago, RXP said:

But some might want a "study level aircraft" for its flying part, not for its pre-flight part as well. One doesn't preclude the other, it is just a matter of having the possibility to auto-fill the preflight part as quickly and as painlessly as possible when you just want to hop in and fly with a well made and realistic aircraft.

I don’t know if the CRJ will have the ability to automatically import a simbrief flightplan. I believe the existing P3D version will - but I know there are limitations in the MSFS sandbox environment that preclude making external network connections. However, I believe one of the existing WT mods (CJ-4?) does have that ability, so there must be a workaround that makes it possible.

 

17 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

The real airplane does not have autothrottles, or full VNAV, or the ability to fly RNP approaches. It cannot do an autoland. It is not an aircraft where one can simply press LNAV/VNAV 10 seconds after takeoff, engage the autopilot and sit back for the next two hours and watch while the aircraft does everything for you. 

All of this has zero to do with the ability to import or download an MSFS (or Simbrief, or Navigraph)-generated flight plan into the FMS. You still have to put the flight plan together. 

Your post is a nice example of gas lighting. 

It's probably not a big deal for most people here on Avsim. Putting a flight plan in manually is not very time consuming and in any case if you are into realism, you'd be reviewing it anyway as part of the pre-flight checks. It's not gonna please the jump in and go types of course, but to be fair, stuff from Virtualcol is gonna be more up their street in terms of price and function anyway, and of that, Virtualcol has plans for all of these in MSFS:

Embraer ERJ Series, ATR Series, DeHavilland Dash 7, British Aerospace ATP, Fokker Jet series, Sukhoi Superjet 100 and CASA C212.

Aerosoft is usually pretty savvy with knowing who buys their stuff and what they want, so I'm sure they have made something which will be satisfactory for their main target market.

Edited February 26, 20215 yr by Chock

4 minutes ago, kakihara123 said:

Simbrief and Navigraph work until they don't. There are many airports not in their databases and then they refuse any flightplanning at all. That is when the ingame flightplanner comes in handy. It has it's flaws, but at least you can add any airport to your route. The missing ones are also not always just tiny grass strips.

So an import function would simply make sense. As I said, simply provide a toggle option to hide the menu option if someone doesn't like that. It also helps to import a flightplan from simbrief into the default planner to look for the actual weather in the sim. 

 

Which airports are missing in Simbrief and Navigraph? Grass strips are one thing - you would not fly an airliner to one of those anyway - but I have not encountered any larger airports that do not appear in Navigraph. On the other hand, there are quite a few large r/w airports that do not exist in MSFS itself (and should). 

3 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Which airports are missing in Simbrief and Navigraph? Grass strips are one thing - you would not fly an airliner to one of those anyway - but I have not encountered any larger airports that do not appear in Navigraph. On the other hand, there are quite a few large r/w airports that do not exist in MSFS itself (and should). 

Encountered a few in Africa for example. I did a quick random search and this one for example: FZUK

This was just the first I found. And yeah this is a dirt strip, but in the middle of a town with fuel and aprons and at over 5000 ft long enough for a Cj4 for example. And from the limited knowledge about this plane I have they can land on grass strips too. No Idea if one would ever land a CRJ at such a place but the flight planning problem for those airports isn't exclusive to that plane anyway. 

At least Littlenavmap has all those airports and helps with planning somewhat. 

5 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

All of this has zero to do with the ability to import or download an MSFS (or Simbrief, or Navigraph)-generated flight plan into the FMS. You still have to put the flight plan together. 

Your post is a nice example of gas lighting. 

My point is that if the inability to import a flight plan from an external source is a dealbreaker for a given customer, then they would probably hate the lack of other features that do not exist in the real aircraft (and I assume) in an accurate sim emulation of the same aircraft.

I’m not opposed to having the ability to import flight plans at all. If the MSFS CRJ will do a Simbrief import, that would be great - but I don’t know if that is possible in the sandboxed MSFS environment - at least not directly downloading it from Simbrief’s web site.

1 minute ago, JRBarrett said:

My point is that if the inability to import a flight plan from an external source is a dealbreaker for a given customer, then they would probably hate the lack of other features that do not exist in the real aircraft (and I assume) in an accurate sim emulation of the same aircraft.

I’m not opposed to having the ability to import flight plans at all. If the MSFS CRJ will do a Simbrief import, that would be great - but I don’t know if that is possible in the sandboxed MSFS environment - at least not directly downloading it from Simbrief’s web site.

It is. The CJ4 by Working Title does this flawlessly. They even provide an option to either Use Simbrief or the Ingame Flight planner. Or you can simply enter the Flightplan manually.

Edited February 26, 20215 yr by kakihara123