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GTN650/750 updates?

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6 hours ago, fogboundturtle said:

gamers you hate so much

And I said that where? Don't put words in my mouth.

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I read all the posts written by Jean-Luc (RXP) and I can't agree more, probably because I am a 3rf party developer like him. I believe that if Jean-Luc was discussing closely with Asobo, life would be better for us 3PD.

Asobo had a great opportunity to completely rethink the Gauge development system, which they did without taking care of any upward compatibility, and I am not sure they did it the right way. And even if they did, they didn't document it the right way. It clearly appears that Gauge developers are not their priority. I also believe that some developers, such as Carenado and Aerosoft, may have access to information we don't have. This is just a personal thought. 

Anyway, today we have to work with what we have. MSFS is a great sim and we will have to use it as it is, with its strengths and its limitations. My only concern is that we may never see advanced add-ons like RXP used to develop and I regret this. In fact, I just regret MSFS was not thought for the the 3PD, this is a pitty because this is exactly what made all FS versions successful in the past. 

13 hours ago, Rocky said:

This Xbox compatibility will kill the spirit of the sim.

Lol,

the release of MSFS 2020 has done the exact opposite: it has brought a breath of fresh air into what was a stale and dying hobby, tended to by a small group of the same old same old.

Just look at the revival of the mod scene.

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3 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Lol,

the release of MSFS 2020 has done the exact opposite: it has brought a breath of fresh air into what was a stale and dying hobby, tended to by a small group of the same old same old.

Just look at the revival of the mod scene.

You're right, but I think I am right too. When I wrote about "losing the sim spirit", I was thinking about the third party developers. What I meant is that I am convinced the power and the success of Flight Simulator, since version 5.0, comes from the 3PD. The sim was successful against its competitors because the 3PD were active, both in the freeware and payware area. This made the difference with Flight and Flight Sim World that both were failures because no 3rd party addon could be developed. This is my opinion.

This spirit is lost because the 3PD are clearly not the priority. I hope it will change.

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What is “3PD”?

18 minutes ago, mtr75 said:

What is “3PD”?

Third Party Developer, i.e., an addon developer.

Al

GPS units like the Garmin GTN 750/650, etc., are very popular systems commonly found in real world GA aircraft today. IMO the fact that MS/Asobo has apparently made it almost impossible for developers like RXP to implement these gauges in MSFS is just 'plane' wrong, and a major strike against 'realism'.  On one hand Asobo has clearly done a poor job of implementing gauges like the G1000/3000, and then they prevent well respected and experienced developers from contributing gauges on the other hand. Very disappointing to say the least.

Al

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BTW, that is from the same guy that makes the GNS530 mod so you now it's going to be top-notch.

James

I was just going to post this as well.  It’s really important for people to keep getting reminded what some of the new 3rd party developers - who have had no choice but to use the new platform as it’s meant to be used, because they don’t have a ton of legacy code so they’re “free” in that sense  ... and also in most cases also releasing the fruits of their labor for “free” as well - are achieving.  It is a powerful platform, so please at least drop the “the fact that it’s impossible to make gauges” stuff ... that’s just flat-out wrong.  

8 hours ago, JeffChrisope said:

It is a powerful platform, so please at least drop the “the fact that it’s impossible to make gauges” stuff ... that’s just flat-out wrong.  

That's true, but that's not what RXP is saying about the GTN. What they are saying is that it is presently not possible to utilize the official Garmin trainer app as a basis for a GTN gauge in MSFS. When one looks at how buggy the other "built from scratch" Garmin units are in MSFS, one immediately sees why RXP used the official Garmin trainer app as a basis for it's FSX and P3d5 gauge lineup. The main advantage is that as Garmin updates its RL gauge, the simulator version is also updated.

The plus side of not using the Garmin trainer is we’re not locked into outdated navdata .

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2 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

That's true, but that's not what RXP is saying about the GTN. What they are saying is that it is presently not possible to utilize the official Garmin trainer app as a basis for a GTN gauge in MSFS. When one looks at how buggy the other "built from scratch" Garmin units are in MSFS, one immediately sees why RXP used the official Garmin trainer app as a basis for it's FSX and P3d5 gauge lineup. The main advantage is that as Garmin updates its RL gauge, the simulator version is also updated.

Yep, I understand the RXP position, and others 3PDs that have significant existing assets and want the platform to play well with them.  I'm just pointing out that there are alternative ways of achieving high-quality GPS units in MSFS, and other developers who are not waiting for the platform to come (back) to them and instead forging ahead with the new tools and techniques are showing significant successes.  

2 hours ago, regis9 said:

The plus side of not using the Garmin trainer is we’re not locked into outdated navdata .

As long as Asobo includes more data I agree.  They're missing tons of smaller airport approach procedures.  You can get it from Navigraph for now for a fee.

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