7 minutes ago, honanhal said:

I think you misunderstood my point. My point is that a good business sets product price based on the price point that will maximize their revenue....

To be brutally honest, this isn't rocket science -- which is why I'm consistently shocked that so many flightsim addon developers don't seem to get it. I guess the charitable view is that they're not businesspeople, that it's a labor of love for them.

I guess I did not give you enough credit for understanding the software market.  ME - I am an old dinosaur who developed and sold a lot of software in the 1980's and '90s - but that was all to Russell 2000 customers who were somewhat insensitive to price because the functionality was what was going to keep them competitive.  I was involved in some breakthrough software, both as a developer and as a competitor trying to catchup. 

We often set our price at other than a revenue maximization point to gain or retain customers, to encourage other developers to pick another segment, or to just keep some cash flow during hard time.  I suppose we could attribute several of those consideration to Captain Sim.

I was a loyal Captain Sim customer during the entire life of FSX and AM surprised at the limited functionality and "sophistication" of the 777.  So, I think the pricing has a lot to do with market control.

5 minutes ago, TacomaSailor said:

I was a loyal Captain Sim customer during the entire life of FSX and AM surprised at the limited functionality and "sophistication" of the 777.  So, I think the pricing has a lot to do with market control.

It's possible, but to my mind it has more to do with the obvious reality that there's massive unmet market demand for airliners (especially Boeings) in MSFS. That's money just waiting to be vacuumed up by developers who can quickly bring their product to market. And those who are first can get away with "monopoly" pricing much higher than they could pull off in a competitive market.

If you look at the pricing solely in terms of revenue maximization, the Captain Sim strategy here makes perfect sense. And I think, looking at it solely in those terms, they kind of nailed it. Not, I hasten to add, a judgment on the quality of the product! (Full disclosure: I don't plan to buy it, but I'm not looking down my nose at anyone who does.)

3 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I see you post in the P3D forums a lot.  I assume you are using P3D.  I hate to tell you, but P3D sales have dropped for a lot of 3rd party devs.  And many 3rd party devs have switched to MSFS. P3D is becoming obsolete.

P3D is going the way of Blackberry, and MSFS is IPhone.  Blackberry did not immediately become obsolete when the IPhone came out in 2007,  but the writing was on the wall for Blackberry,.

No I don’t have P3D. And I’ve probably posted in the MSFS forum more then anywhere as I was more then impressed initially. 
The more I’ve seen of it, the more I think it’s neither a iPhone or Blackberry but rather a gameboy. 

2 hours ago, FlyBaby said:

If MSFS doesn't work for you, there are other sim "flatforms" for you to choose.

Have you seen the rate of freeware for MSFS??? Or the rate of Devs jumping on board??? MSFS has both the respect and the "backing" of Freeware and Payware Devs. This is why Devs have left the other "flatforms" behind and their users complaining about attention MSFS is getting.

I don't know how you define serious flight simulator users, but 2M+ users have made a serious investment in the sim.

You will have good addons and bad addons, you can easily decide not to buy. But MSFS is a good sim / platform...the user / Dev numbers don't lie.

At the moment, it’s more then slowly become apparent that MSFS IS solely an extended version of bing images. Hence the majority of freeware and payware offerings being scenery. With a few toy airplanes thrown in here and there for the gamers to ‘fly’ around in. 

 

4 hours ago, Cristi_Neagu said:

I remember someone on the FS2020 forums saying it's because of the salty mod, whatever that is. Not sure, cause i don't use the 747.

You were right. It was salty mod. Thank you.

Transponder is inoperative

Thank goodness one of the most popular YouTube videos of the new 777 is being honest. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Doug47 said:

No I don’t have P3D. And I’ve probably posted in the MSFS forum more then anywhere as I was more then impressed initially. 
The more I’ve seen of it, the more I think it’s neither a iPhone or Blackberry but rather a gameboy. 

MSFS had an explosion of sales in its debut just like IPhone had an explosion of sales in its debut. If you don’t understand this simple concept, I don’t think you should run a business because you will bankrupt yourself.

6 hours ago, Doug47 said:

No I don’t have P3D. And I’ve probably posted in the MSFS forum more then anywhere as I was more then impressed initially. 
The more I’ve seen of it, the more I think it’s neither a iPhone or Blackberry but rather a gameboy. 

 

The original Gameboy is literally the 3rd highest selling gaming system of all time only bested by the the (Gameboy) DS, and PS2.

I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to be an insult to MSFS unless you're running with the "it's just a game" mentality.. 

12 hours ago, kaosfere said:

 

So now ignorance is no excuse:  the "MSFS isn't ready for complex aircraft" line is a total canard, unless you have a different definition of "ready" than the guy the "serious simmers" often look at as the Godfather of Study Level.  Anyone who repeats it in this thread past this point is either clueless or trolling.

Unless, that is, they can provide a rational argument for why they disagree with PMDG's assessment.

 

I'm going to catch a lot of flak for this post, but I thought I'd try and take you up on your offer of rebutting Captain Randazzo's statements - if only slightly.

Here are some quotes I pulled up with a 3 minute forum search.

On 5/6/2021 at 1:04 PM, jabloomf1230 said:

(...) The MSFS SDK doesn't adequately support 3rd party AI traffic in the fashion needed by AIG. (...)

 

On 5/11/2021 at 6:29 AM, JETPETER2 said:

I am a big sound afficianado or something like that... my friend at XPRealistic can't release his much awaited masterpiece for FS2020 until Asobo opens up the mechanism to allow sound editing, cameras to be made etc... (...)

 

On 5/12/2021 at 2:38 AM, Watsi said:

The wiper/rain thing is an Asobo one. We can't do anything about this, until the SDK enables us to modify the model.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 6:03 PM, cwburnett said:

The weather radar map layer is exposed on the JS side, but map layers are not published to WASM as of now I believe. (...) I just know it's known and in the pipeline.

 

On 3/25/2021 at 3:59 PM, Sailor512 said:

I'd assume there will be no wx radar upon release, I think the SDK doesn't support this yet. 😞

I mean I could keep going but there are a plethora of (minuscule) things MSFS can't do on this date because of the SDK, according to people in this forum who I assume know a lot more than me. We can't have actual WX radar, windshield wipers wiping away the rain, XPGauge, the A320Neo guys can't get the wheel speed animation to match the speed of the aircraft or multiple radio panels to work independently, we can't get AIG aircraft, yadda yadda.

Now to your point of any of that stopping PMDG or others, probably not. I do like insects hitting the windshield, condensation effects and other things P3DV5 supports right now. Will a PMDG plane still be a PMDG plane without a weather radar and with some switches affecting CA/FO sides? Sure, but that's just compromising. The SDK isn't complete or they wouldn't still be working on it.

You are now cleared to tear me apart for daring to cross Captain Randazzo's word. I've committed the worst of sins. 😄

13 minutes ago, WestAir said:

I mean I could keep going but there are a plethora of (minuscule) things MSFS can't do on this date because of the SDK, according to people in this forum who I assume know a lot more than me. We can't have actual WX radar, windshield wipers wiping away the rain, XPGauge, the A320Neo guys can't get the wheel speed animation to match the speed of the aircraft or multiple radio panels to work independently, we can't get AIG aircraft, yadda yadda.

Yeah, but won't it be another 1 or 2 years before it comes out? And I have NO idea about this. It's just seems to be about their average time? And the SDK will improve in that amount of time. Like I said, I have no clue about any of this? And the people that bought the PMDG 737 and get it for like $19.00 want it yesterday, but they want it right first of all. So they may not want to wait. But they are expecting very HIGH quality as they should for the amount of money it will be for people that did not buy that plane with the discount. Bottom line, it is NOT being released until PMDG is ready, whether you like it or not!

2 hours ago, WestAir said:

I'm going to catch a lot of flak for this post, but I thought I'd try and take you up on your offer of rebutting Captain Randazzo's statements - if only slightly.

Here are some quotes I pulled up with a 3 minute forum search.

I mean I could keep going but there are a plethora of (minuscule) things MSFS can't do on this date because of the SDK, according to people in this forum who I assume know a lot more than me. We can't have actual WX radar, windshield wipers wiping away the rain, XPGauge, the A320Neo guys can't get the wheel speed animation to match the speed of the aircraft or multiple radio panels to work independently, we can't get AIG aircraft, yadda yadda.

Now to your point of any of that stopping PMDG or others, probably not. I do like insects hitting the windshield, condensation effects and other things P3DV5 supports right now. Will a PMDG plane still be a PMDG plane without a weather radar and with some switches affecting CA/FO sides? Sure, but that's just compromising. The SDK isn't complete or they wouldn't still be working on it.

You are now cleared to tear me apart for daring to cross Captain Randazzo's word. I've committed the worst of sins. 😄

Actually, some of it can be done in the current SDK.  For example, the weather radar for the CRJ can be done with HTML and JavaScript. But Aerosoft doesn’t want to use HTML and JavaScript.  They want to use C++ and WASM.  So Aerosoft is waiting for changes to the SDK.

It’s understandable that Aerosoft is willing to wait because from a software development perspective, it’s easier for them to maintain the code in C++ if all the rest of their code is in C++.

So what you say is not completely accurate.  Some things can be done, like the weather radar, if the 3rd party developer is willing to use another method of development (ie. Javascript & HTML).

Having said that, there are still limitations with the SDK.  But it still needs some time to be resolved.  But for PMDG’s needs, they have all the tools they need from the SDK to make a study level airliner.

2 hours ago, styckx said:

 

The original Gameboy is literally the 3rd highest selling gaming system of all time only bested by the the (Gameboy) DS, and PS2.

I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to be an insult to MSFS unless you're running with the "it's just a game" mentality.. 

Even that would not work since "video games" still sells TONS more than "simulators"  (to me they are both the same thing anyway 😛 )

 

10 hours ago, Doug47 said:

Thank goodness one of the most popular YouTube videos of the new 777 is being honest. 

 

 

Oh my god 4 engines on the lower eicas 😮😧

What is next a Cessna 172 with jet engines?

Edited May 19, 20215 yr by rob0203

12 minutes ago, rob0203 said:

Oh my god 4 engines on the lower eicas 😮😧

 

I think all this anomalies ( or at least most ) gets fixed with a next update !

But it looks like this is a interested thread for everyone - i mean around 18000 clicks in sutch a short time -  respect 😎

 

cheers 😉

Edited May 19, 20215 yr by pmplayer