Sorry but this thread's title is pure intentional inflamatory bait. on Day 1 after a 40GB patch. It looks like it belongs to Reddit. Men, just hold your breath and carry on, we are all grown ups, aren't we?

Edited July 28, 20214 yr by Aristoteles

7 minutes ago, Aristoteles said:

we are all grown ups, aren't we?

That’s perhaps debatable...couldn’t resist 👹

 

Mike

2 hours ago, Chock said:

regard to MSFS, for example the fact that an update is completely mandatory, or that it is put out in a massive unwieldy single block many Gigabytes in size, forcing users to spend literally hours downloading data they already have just because a two kilobyte line of code in it has changed, or that some of their patches appear to have not been well tested prior to release. These are things which were/are bad about how MSFS is handled as a product and are without doubt, terrible ways to do things and even worse ways to treat paying customers, so they do indeed richly deserve criticism.

Couldn’t agree more!!

11Mb/s download here on a good day! Why should I even bother? I guess masochism plays an important role in our collective psyche..Lol!

Mike

 

Edited July 28, 20214 yr by Cruachan

Dang, I find it hard to believe people contemplating going back to P3D or even FSX. I for one think Asobo did a great job. I had cero issues downloading, went quick, downloaded content, deleted rolling cache and restarted the sim, with my current pc, which is about 5 years old (see my sig), I was amazed on how smooth the sim is now, yes there is the panning issue, but that will get resolved. I'm a very very happy simmer and it will only get better. Good luck to those going back to the prehistoric ages.

Edited July 28, 20214 yr by CarlosF

5 hours ago, CJ1045 said:

Personally I will be moving over from my gaming laptop to my Series X as my main MSFS machine. For most people that is going to make financial sense.

 

CJ

How would you manager the community folder and get add-ons not sold through the Market Place like the Milviz Corsair?  Another thing I'm wondering is getting a keyboard, mouse, TrackIR or VR Headset, and Yoke/Peddles all working on an XBOX.  If all that can be accomplished the XBOX can become very viable as an alternative for simmers when it comes to getting either a PC or Console.

Downloaded and installed today. Zero CTD. Sim looks great as it did before and performs great. Delighted. I use Track IR and the autogen pop in was barely noticeable. Oops, I hope Microsoft don't read this since I am not their intended audience anymore apparently...

I get the frustration regarding forced updates, but just for your information on LOD and the Performance Sim Update:

Source: https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/questions/1417/small-objects-disappear-on-long-distance.html

This means while XBOX enforces the usage of LOD objects, the PC version hasn't change at all.

Hope this helps,

Simbol

 

14 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

Dang, I find it hard to believe people contemplating going back to P3D or even FSX. I for one think Asobo did a great job. I had cero issues downloading, went quick, downloaded content, deleted rolling cache and restarted the sim, with my current pc, which is about 5 years old (see my sig), I was amazed on how smooth the sim is now, yes there is the panning issue, but that will get resolved. I'm a very very happy simmer and it will only get better. Good luck to those going back to the prehistoric ages.

Carlos, I ear you !!!

6 minutes ago, simbol said:

This means while XBOX enforces the usage of LOD objects, the PC version hasn't change at all.

More accurately, we could say the XBOX version is progressively more "punitive" in the way it decides when to automatically cull Objects that use less than 3 LOD levels. The less LOD levels are used, the more aggressive LOD culling becomes.

The PC version was like this during the whole Beta period, but it was reverted to the original strategy with the very last build.

Edited July 28, 20214 yr by virtuali

57 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

Because the statemenht "Microsoft and Asobo are pandering to console users show a breathtaking level of ignorance about the PC/Console market development over the past 15 years or so.

Simple as that.

Case closed.

Case re-opened!  😀

Microsoft are obviously pandering to console users.  They sell the Xbox and want the extra sales - it is a really important market to them. 
If I was Microsoft, I would pander to Xbox users as well, and I am sure Asobo want to take their share of the profit.  It is entirely natural, and I have no problem with it.  No argument there. 

The question is, is this at the expense of PC users of the sim.  I have no strong opinion on that, but the OP has 9 likes and 9 upvotes, so it is a supported opinion, even if you think it isn't valid.

But the thing is Ricardo, even if you don't agree with the OP, it is not up to you to decide what opinions are valid or not, this isn't state China (Yet! ).

Just because you don't like an opposite opinion and can't seem to tolerate any criticism of the sim, I don't belittle you, I don't call you a Microsoft shill, or ask if you are blind because the pop up scenery doesn't bother you.  I actually like the positive and balanced opinions like yours, it is important, but positive responses can be done without the kind of belittling tone shown to others with valid concerns.  This just continues these kind of threads and the bitter tone of debate. 

These threads never solve anything anyway, but it is important people have their say and get it off their chest - it isn't banned.  Sometimes they are just after a bit of reassurance that other people see what they do, and does it bother them too?  But they often end up being called 'whingers', 'moaners', and lately, even 'children'. 

This kind of name calling is poor form in any kind of debate, and it reflects more badly on the person doing it actually, it is no real response to an opinion or winning argument to do this, it just looks cheap.

If people want the tone of the threads to improve, it is up to everyone to take a bit of responsibility towards this, not just 'one side' of opinion.  I really hope people can see this.

Edited July 28, 20214 yr by bobcat999

What amazes me, is that without really any insight or information from devs, 2h after an update, we start this childish war on AVSIM. When the reality is that we are speculating, assuming or we are simply wrong. Sigh. 

4 minutes ago, virtuali said:

 this during the whole Beta period, but it was reverted to the original strategy with the very last build.

We may think that the outcry which overflew from the Beta forum here and there, thanks to the leaks, is why Asobo backed off.

12 minutes ago, simbol said:

...This means while XBOX enforces the usage of LOD objects, the PC version hasn't change at all.

Hope this helps,

Simbol

Thanks Simbol.  Are some people getting confused with terminology then?  They are complaining about the occlusion aren't they?  when objects pop in when panning the camera.

As you say, this is a different issue to LOD isn't it? 

e.g. The LOD when looking in one direction is the same (as SU4), but when changing viewpoint the objects popping in are doing this due to the new occlusion / memory flushing method rather than LOD.  Is this correct? 

16 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

The LOD when looking in one direction is the same (as SU4), but when changing viewpoint the objects popping in are doing this due to the new occlusion / memory flushing method rather than LOD.  Is this correct? 

Possibly.. I will ask asobo and revert to be sure..

S.

Edited July 28, 20214 yr by simbol

15 minutes ago, virtuali said:

More accurately, we could say the XBOX version is progressively more "punitive" in the way it decides when to automatically cull Objects that use less than 3 LOD levels. The less LOD levels are used, the more aggressive LOD culling becomes.

The PC version was like this during the whole Beta period, but it was reverted to the original strategy with the very last build.

Thanks umberto for explaining it better..

S.