10 minutes ago, DeltaWho said:

But also again, alot of the effects wasn't done yet. Scenery assets getting further work, snow was mentioned to work in the same way as rain, but not previewed yet (so clearly more weather based effects coming), more water enhancements. So clearly...

...so clearly they are listening to the most voted customer feature request and suggestions:

https://feedback.x-plane.com/

Basically, all the ones tagged as "PLANNED" where showcased at FSExpo.

So maybe one way to look at the presentation material during FSExpo is just to consider these were screenshots and videos of the "planned" feature request and suggestions which are most voted by the customers. These illustrate "planned" is not just a tag added in the list for the sake of it.

Edited September 28, 20214 yr by RXP

1 minute ago, RXP said:

...so clearly they are listening to the most voted customer feature request and suggestions:

https://feedback.x-plane.com/

Basically, all the ones tagged as "PLANNED" where showcased at FSExpo.

So maybe one way to look at the presentation material during FSExpo is just to consider these were screenshots and videos of the "planned" feature request and suggestions which are most voted by the customers. These illustrate "planned" is not just a tag added in the list for the sake of it.

Exactly. Well... a good chunk of them at least :D. 

 

12 hours ago, GoranM said:

Absolutely.  I'm not one to keep asking for the little things like moon phases (cricket sounds, car traffic noise), but the fact they implemented them made my jaw drop, AND, the one that really threw me for a loop, is the wind noise adjusting in relation to high speed and low speed wind.  That was a showstopper right there.

It's interesting to me that I started judging LR on the fact the dev blog was essentially "crickets", and this place was relatively quiet or full of doubters (myself included).  It's clear the devs in the private LR Slack knew what was coming but kept pretty quiet themselves (I assume a non-disclosure).

If they do read AVSIM, they must have felt a strong compulsion to respond ... but they held firm on keeping the full information under wraps.

I'm still very glad MSFS came out so insanely strong graphically ... there is no doubt this forced LR to go "all hands on deck" with the visuals.  And it's an impressive feat of engineering given the timespan and team size involved.

10 hours ago, GoranM said:

I know not everyone is a hater. I never said they were. I said a small percentage were. Again, criticise all you like, but make it constructive with examples. 
If you see problems and want to point them out, post a time mark, so we can all see what you’re talking about. Then we can have a discussion. 

Will Gizmo work in XP12  on the release day of XP12? Or will be charged for new planes?

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by jarmstro

16 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Will Gizmo work in XP12  on the release day of XP12? Or will be charged for new planes?

All established developers will get a copy of X-Plane 12 before a public beta. Gizmo will be tested and if a patch is needed, it’ll likely be patched before X-Plane 12 goes public. I don’t know of any XA add on that was ever a paid update between X-Plane versions. I can’t speak for other developers outside of XA. I know one developer who charges full price between X-Plane versions, but he is not associated with XA. 

6 minutes ago, GoranM said:

All established developers will get a copy of X-Plane 12 before a public beta. Gizmo will be tested and if a patch is needed, it’ll likely be patched before X-Plane 12 goes public. I don’t know of any XA add on that was ever a paid update between X-Plane versions. I can’t speak for other developers outside of XA. I know one developer who charges full price between X-Plane versions, but he is not associated with XA. 

Good to know. (But the other and more preferable option would be to just do away with it completely.)

8 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Good to know. (But the other and more preferable option would be to just do away with it completely.)

Never happening.  The DRM is extremely effective, and it allows some developers to code systems using LUA scripts.  The Saab and upgrade to the DC3 would never have been made without Gizmo.

Getting rid of it will cause more problems than solutions for everyone.

I would not buy XP12 beta, period. I would not buy any version of XP12 until it is optimized to run multi-core with really good FPS.  That includes proper looking non-pixelated and good performing 3D clouds. I would not buy XP12 if the reflections code is as bad as XP11 and it should be left on lowest setting. I would not buy XP12 if anyone is reporting the Vulkan Device Lost CTD's. I also would not buy XP12 if they have not fixed the awful objects loading code that can bring the sim to it's knees. I also would want to check VRAM usage, ensure nothing if suffering from the blurries and there is no flickering or jagged shadows and no sudden lighting changes. Other than that I may jump in and buy XP12 why not.

10 minutes ago, GoranM said:

Never happening.  The DRM is extremely effective, and it allows some developers to code systems using LUA scripts.  The Saab and upgrade to the DC3 would never have been made without Gizmo.

Getting rid of it will cause more problems than solutions for everyone.

It's fine really and it's the way of the world unfortunately.  We are everywhere all accused of being thieves. In fact the first plane in MSFS with a similarly nasty piece of DRM has just been released. The Milviz Porter employs the euphemistically named "WASM helper". But just what "help" it offers isn't made clear.

1 minute ago, Greazer said:

I would not buy XP12 beta, period. I would not buy any version of XP12 until it is optimized to run multi-core with really good FPS.  That includes proper looking non-pixelated and good performing 3D clouds. I would not buy XP12 if the reflections code is as bad as XP11 and it should be left on lowest setting. I would not buy XP12 if anyone is reporting the Vulkan Device Lost CTD's. I also would not buy XP12 if they have not fixed the awful objects loading code that can bring the sim to it's knees. I also would want to check VRAM usage, ensure nothing if suffering from the blurries and there is no flickering or jagged shadows and no sudden lighting changes. Other than that I may jump in and buy XP12 why not.

ok. 

7 minutes ago, Greazer said:

I would not buy XP12 if anyone is reporting the Vulkan Device Lost CTD's. 

True story, I bought MSFS months ago, for whatever the full deal is ... so $100+.

It still instantly crashes to desktop when I click "Fly Now".  I literally can't use it but I'm patient.

The support engineers now think this is down to the drive format.  This one happens to be exFAT vs NTFS.

So now I have to move 500+ GB of other stuff that works fine, and reformat the drive to  (maybe) be able to use it.

Software engineering can be insanely complex.

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by Gulfstream

12 minutes ago, Greazer said:

I would not buy XP12 beta, period.

I will definitely buy it. I've invested too much money into XP11 not to. But whether I will continue to use it after I have bought it remains to be seen. The best available sim will get my future expenditure and time. Simple as that. And judgement is mine.

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by jarmstro

18 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

We are everywhere all accused of being thieves.

Woah!!  No one here has accused everyone of being thieves, and for you to even suggest this, is crossing the line, John.  We are protecting our work from the very select few who are dishonest.  In my case, that includes at least one developer.  The vast majority of our customers are honest people who do the right thing, and they understand that security measures are needed.  DRM is also the security tags you find on clothing in a department store, the cables and locks that tie laptops to the display shelf, the keys needed to purchase and drive a car home, etc...

Developers don't want to use DRM, but due to the few dishonest people out there, we have to.  

Edited September 29, 20214 yr by GoranM

20 minutes ago, Greazer said:

I would not buy XP12 beta, period. I would not buy any version of XP12 until it is optimized to run multi-core with really good FPS.  That includes proper looking non-pixelated and good performing 3D clouds. I would not buy XP12 if the reflections code is as bad as XP11 and it should be left on lowest setting. I would not buy XP12 if anyone is reporting the Vulkan Device Lost CTD's. I also would not buy XP12 if they have not fixed the awful objects loading code that can bring the sim to it's knees. I also would want to check VRAM usage, ensure nothing if suffering from the blurries and there is no flickering or jagged shadows and no sudden lighting changes. Other than that I may jump in and buy XP12 why not.

Thank goodness we all have a choice.  Enjoy yours, dude.  👋

17 minutes ago, mSparks said:

when they buy a Steam Gear and find XP11 is the only decent flight sim they can install and run

.......reliably on a wee little four inch screen.😂