18 minutes ago, Lucas Gomes said:

why does PMDG have to have weather radar?

It doesn't. Unless it claims to be study level.

1 hour ago, fakeflyer737 said:

You guys dont have anything to worry in regards to the 737 because itnaint coming any time soon. 

Not sure I'd take the word from someone called "fakeflyer737" 😉

Since nobody seems to bother to read any posts that are not on the last page:
It will have WXR, just not right now, because Asobo has not yet created a possibility to read the weather data out of the sim. It will come as soon as Asobo does that.

We don't know what will be in the 37 at the moment.  They haven't officially given a feature review.

15 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

We don't know what will be in the 37 at the moment.  They haven't officially given a feature review.

We know the API to allow an aircraft to know where "water" is, doesn't currently exist. We also know PMDG has refused to implement a "fake" WXR in previous versions of the 737.

There are other things we know for sure aren't possible in MSFS right now, that are possible in other sims. The thing is that they all will be available, and so (people who aren't you) asking PMDG to lower the price, for features that we will shortly get for free, is ingenuous at best.

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

Whatever. But I cannot see how this plane can be called study level when important systems present in the real thing are INOP? And the price should reflect this fact. It's just not a study level. Fact.

"Whatever? "  What kind of conversational response or cogent rebuttal is that supposed to represent?

I think you're not understanding my point: none of the wx radar simulations you've operated in FSX, X Plane or P3d have been "study level", because none of them have remotely resembled the way actual weather (or weather radar) behave.  You've simply been playing a game of "go around the red," and the red has just been randomly drawn blotches.  You haven't been studying anything by doing that.  Real world weather avoidance is considerably more involved; it involves consideration of synoptic or mesoscale boundaries and the propagation of weather along those boundaries.  None of this has existed in previous sims.

For the first time, we have a sim that actually attempts to simulate this.  Of course it's not perfect but it's actually pretty good.  The existing weather depictions in this sim thus actually do approximate reality.  

My understanding is that PMDG isn't using existing MSFS radar because their aircraft are (by necessity) coded in a more capable programming language, and this language cannot currently communicate with the weather system of the sim. But we know that's coming.

I just can't understand why anyone would place such importance on something so minor to simulation, that you've never experienced a correctly working version of in the first place...

12 minutes ago, WestAir said:

We know the API to allow an aircraft to know where "water" is, doesn't currently exist.

I don't understand this.  A long while ago, I heard Asobo talk about changing things (twitch session) so the weather radar only recognised the precipitation rather than the clouds themselves, and I confirmed this in the Carenado Seneca - I generated scattered showers in the sim, and the radar only picked up where it was raining under certain clouds (confirmed visually).  And this is on a Carenado plane! 

Is this something Asobo actually implemented and has not been recognised?

Someone else with the Seneca please confirm this in case I am going mad!  

59 minutes ago, WestAir said:

We know the API to allow an aircraft to know where "water" is, doesn't currently exist. We also know PMDG has refused to implement a "fake" WXR in previous versions of the 737.

There are other things we know for sure aren't possible in MSFS right now, that are possible in other sims. The thing is that they all will be available, and so (people who aren't you) asking PMDG to lower the price, for features that we will shortly get for free, is ingenuous at best.

Ah yeah, OK.  Still, we don't have official word from PMDG on anything really.  I suspect as you do, they wouldn't release a half-way version of the WX radar.  If they choose to release it without one altogether and implement it later, is another story I guess.  We'll just have to wait and see what they do I suppose.

34 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I don't understand this.  A long while ago, I heard Asobo talk about changing things (twitch session) so the weather radar only recognised the precipitation rather than the clouds themselves, and I confirmed this in the Carenado Seneca - I generated scattered showers in the sim, and the radar only picked up where it was raining under certain clouds (confirmed visually).  And this is on a Carenado plane! 

Is this something Asobo actually implemented and has not been recognised?

Someone else with the Seneca please confirm this in case I am going mad!  

Again: Yes, Asobo did modify the weather radar in the default aircraft so it only sees precipitation instead of just clouds - and no question this is a big improvement, but precipitation is only available to default or add-on aircraft coded in JavaScript/html. The existing Aerosoft CRJ and upcoming PMDG 737 are coded in C++ running in a WASM sandbox, and there is no way (yet) that WASM aircraft can read the location of precipitation in the sim anvironment. 

31 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Again: Yes, Asobo did modify the weather radar in the default aircraft so it only sees precipitation instead of just clouds - and no question this is a big improvement, but precipitation is only available to default or add-on aircraft coded in JavaScript/html. The existing Aerosoft CRJ and upcoming PMDG 737 are coded in C++ running in a WASM sandbox, and there is no way (yet) that WASM aircraft can read the location of precipitation in the sim anvironment. 

Sorry Jim if you posted this earlier and I skipped over it. It has become quite a thread now!

That is clear now with your explanation - I get it!

6 hours ago, jarmstro said:

I read that it wont have weather radar. If this is correct then how can it be worth more that £50 because it is actually unrealistic and unflyable?

So you're suggesting it should be priced similar to the PMDG DC-6 ($60 right now) because both don't have a weather radar?

And you think the systems of a  737 aren't a good bit more complex than those of the DC-6, even with the weather radar missing? Wouldn't that justify paying more for the 737 than for the DC6?

If I were to name one single 3PD whom I trust to bring a proper weather radar to an aircraft in a later update once Asobo implements it in the API, it would certainly be PMDG. Even if Asobo takes a long time before weather radar API is enabled. 

I'd happily spend $100 on a PMDG-level 737, even if it's lacking a weather radar (for now). Trying to avoid the technical term "study level" which means so many different things to different simmers... I honestly think it's of no real use other than showing off to everyone that you're a respected "true simmer" who doesn't mingle with common folk aka gamers.

I would see WX radar for immersion. But tell me a truth! Have you canceled your flight in the sim because of adverse weather? How often you  offset your course due cell or go to alternate airport ?  I'm guessing perhaps few people do, but definitely not majority! But of course some claim it's  study level without WX radar LOL

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

I would see WX radar for immersion. But tell me a truth! Have you canceled your flight in the sim because of adverse weather? How often you  offset your course due cell or go to alternate airport ?  I'm guessing perhaps few people do, but definitely not majority! But of course some claim it's  study level without WX radar LOL

To be fair to sim pilots, sim weather isn't dangerous at all. Icing doesn't change airflow (only adds weight) and IIRC they've capped the vertical downdrafts to like 1,500 ft/min. In a few years when we have lenticular clouds, Kelvin-Helmholtz clouds, microbursts, and dog-sized hail, it might be prudent to avoid the purple and red.

Edited November 16, 20214 yr by WestAir

3 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Someone else with the Seneca please confirm this in case I am going mad!  

 

Thanks!  @DD_Arthur

That's a great bit of video.  Carenado certainly made a great job of the Seneca.

I hope their upcoming C337 will be just as good.

Edited November 17, 20214 yr by bobcat999