5 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Think it's common, regardless of how well-communicated something is, for people to talk about it on a forum when it's finally in their hands and give their honest opinions, good or bad or what they experience, regardless of what the developers said. Agree, no need to be condescending using colourful language to describe it, when the intent of it was clearly described and and advised in advance. Saying something has completely harmless as a feature not being what you personally expected and then having people get all antsy is bordering of intellectually dishonest, just feels like a desperate need to call someone out. At that point, you're just stifling any conversation if even that has to be called out like some lord protector of the forum conversation. 

You even just said exactly what I said... you say you expected equal (or worse) and commented on your performance, exactly what I did, so is your post also useless now?

I do understand you....all good.....

I just commented on you classic avsim post...but hey....all fine....let's hope adobo will hf the biggest issues...(like weather.....menu issues etc..).

Running in DX12 I have found my max was 56fps with no clouds, with clouds 48fps in both everything was smooth and no stutters , I normally run with g-sync on set at 30fps which I then set, again smooth with no stutters. After the initial download of the update I had problems with stutters and screen tearing, restarting my pc cured this, I also downloaded the latest nividia drivers. I then reset the sim back to DX11 and found very little difference in the frame rate with DX12 being a few frames faster, I have sim settings at ultra and the resolution at 4k. I did both tests at the same location and used same aircraft, fps will vary when using different aircraft. After the initial problems I had with the download which I cured by the pc restart I am now having no problems with this new update..........so far lol.

Edited November 19, 20214 yr by Scimiter

13 hours ago, David Mills said:

But why the dramatic FPS hit now for almost everyone? 

Because it's a completely unoptimized beta, a test balloon of sorts to see where this initial implementation breaks things--that's all.  Just switch back to DX11 and end the angst.

29 minutes ago, Scimiter said:

I have reset the sim back to DX11 as at this moment I see no advantage using DX12.

For me there is a very substantial increase in CPU utilization and VRAM in use was the same or went down--both are things I would not have predicted based on P3D's DX-12 implementation in version 5.  So back to DX11 we went and all's fine now.

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

For me there is a very substantial increase in CPU utilization and VRAM in use was the same or went down--both are things I would not have predicted based on P3D's DX-12 implementation in version 5.  So back to DX11 we went and all's fine now.

I have updated the post you read and tried the same test with DX11 and found DX12 ran a few frames faster. I am going to run in DX12 just to to see how it performs over a period of time. (not because of the fps increase as I run locked at 30fps)

Severe degradation with DX12 is a mild surprise. Degradation with DX11 is really annoying. There is some smoothness all right, between the stutters...

I too was running perfect 30FPS but now Dx12or DX11 its running at 20FPS

12 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Severe degradation with DX12 is a mild surprise. Degradation with DX11 is really annoying. There is some smoothness all right, between the stutters...

Something's wrong, or different at least, on your end.  I'm seeing zero degradation and excellent smoothness as was the case for me pre SU7.   In fact if anything total performance is slightly better but it's too early to tell for me.  There *should* be a small source of stutter associated w/ ATC speech because the ATC StutterFix doesn't work now--but it wasn't perfect previously and limited text lines to 4 which wasn't optimal.  So far I've not seen a stutter w/ ATC speech but I will be surprised and delighted if that was fixed w/ SU7.

11 minutes ago, Manny said:

I too was running perfect 30FPS but now Dx12or DX11 its running at 20FPS

Oh goodness-did you check your settings?   Perhaps delete and let the sim rebuild UserCfg.opt and FlightSimulator.CFG then redcheck all your graphic settings.  All's well for me in DX11 mode.

32 minutes ago, Scimiter said:

I have updated the post you read and tried the same test with DX11 and found DX12 ran a few frames faster. I am going to run in DX12 just to to see how it performs over a period of time. (not because of the fps increase as I run locked at 30fps)

I wonder if it might help you to delete and let the sim rebuild UserCfg.opt and FlightSimulator.CFG then recheck all your graphic settings.  I never tried that with my short DX12 trial because quite frankly I could care less about proving whether or not this beta does anything worth keeping it's an absolute trial beta test run--I'd rather be flying and I'm thankful it's all working very well post SU7 install.

 

 

8 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I am not sure that it was a great idea rolling out DX12 (even as an option) at this stage if a large percentage of the user base see it in a negative light.

I suppose you’re right especially since a majority (including many in this thread) seem incapable of reading the patch notes and understanding why it was included as an option to test on multiple hardware configurations, and nothing more.

Choosing to view that intent in a negative light is also an “option” 😉

2 hours ago, Sethos said:

Classic Avsim post. 

A classic Avsim post, responding to classic Avsim posts

2 hours ago, Sethos said:

Yeah, just quoting a bunch of people to say "let's bonk this on the head, silly users" adds a lot. Beautiful, well-written. Adds a lot to the conversation. 

I see it as straightening the record for those new to the subject or joining mid-thread, because anyone new who skimmed could quite reasonably believe that somehow MS/Asobo had scammed us, broken the sim, the update was a disaster etc. There's much Asobo bashing in these forums, some of which is undoubtedly justified, but in this instance I felt the need to point out, for the benefit of the aforementioned third parties, how there was nothing unexpected and some users had unreasonable/unjustifiable expectations.

I'm no apologist for any company, but calling out misinformation where appropriate can only be a good thing, generating a more meaningful discourse thence. By all means discuss experiences and solutions and future expectations, but framing it in a way that suggests customers were let down when they weren't is disingenuous.

Edited November 19, 20214 yr by ckyliu

24 minutes ago, Noel said:

I wonder if it might help you to delete and let the sim rebuild UserCfg.opt and FlightSimulator.CFG then recheck all your graphic settings.  I never tried that with my short DX12 trial because quite frankly I could care less about proving whether or not this beta does anything worth keeping it's an absolute trial beta test run--I'd rather be flying and I'm thankful it's all working very well post SU7 install.

I know you are genuinely trying to help Noel, but I would be a bit cautious telling people to delete those files.  Rename would be better.

I deleted my user config file once and the sim wouldn't start and was asking to be reinstalled.  

With a bit of Googling and some help (probably from this forum) I managed to recover the file from the recycle bin and copy my custom path from the last line in the config file.
It was because I installed to a custom path like a lot of people do, in my case an NVME drive (E:). 

If you delete the user config, when you click on the start icon it writes one back but enters the default path (probably on the C: drive), and then MSFS can't find its stuff and thinks it needs to reinstall! 

Edited November 19, 20214 yr by bobcat999

25 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I know you are genuinely trying to help Noel, but I would be a bit cautious telling people to delete those files. 

I did it myself once and all was fine, hence the suggestion--but I keep all installations in their default locations so presumably that's why I encountered no problems.  Glad you mentioned this for those who add extra levels of complexity by installing in their chosen locations over default.

1 hour ago, Noel said:

For me there is a very substantial increase in CPU utilization and VRAM in use was the same or went down--both are things I would not have predicted based on P3D's DX-12 implementation in version 5.  So back to DX11 we went and all's fine now.

These are exactly the changes I was looking for.  Now maybe my 5900x will have >20% utilization.

Cheers

bs