8 hours ago, hansb57 said:

It basically keeps everybody who flys VFR and use live weather, on the ground for a lot of days a year.

 

If you aren't into instrument flying, you are screwed basically. 

 

41 minutes ago, badger2000 said:

Another flight into EGTK today.  METAR said visibility 9999 but I couldn't see the runway until I was a mile or less from it because of the haze.   

1 Mile is pretty good, when you are down to 200 feet and can barely make out the approach lights, now that is what I have been seeing. 

It's not haze we are all seeing. The 'haze' are clouds at the wrong altitude.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/are-cloud-bases-in-new-metar-system-in-agl-or-msl/473011

Seems all clouds are rendered at MSL altitude rather than AGL altitude. I am sure this will be easily fixed. Question is... when... 😉

They could use only visibility <10sm from metar, otherwise weather depiction was really good. Now it seems broken. 

First flight of the day, KMLI, weather according to weather channel is clear, Vis 10 miles. I am at the end of runway 27 and I can't see 1/2 way down the 9900 ft runway, due to the ground fog-haze- low cloud, or whatever they are calling it. 

 

I then went to Online weather and toggled it off, and set Clear Skies,.. Guess what, the haze is still there. They have programed the haze in regardless of the weather. 

Edited November 20, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

4 hours ago, tup61 said:

It's not haze we are all seeing. The 'haze' are clouds at the wrong altitude.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/are-cloud-bases-in-new-metar-system-in-agl-or-msl/473011

Seems all clouds are rendered at MSL altitude rather than AGL altitude. I am sure this will be easily fixed. Question is... when... 😉

My screen shot below says otherwise.  The only clouds reported at KDAL today have been scattered at 25,000.  Metar was actually Clear with a few at 25,000, which means less than 1/10^th coverage.  The screen shot below was taken at 1 3/4 mi off the touchdown zone of the runway.

 

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

First flight of the day, KMLI, weather according to weather channel is clear, Vis 10 miles. I am at the end of runway 27 and I can't see 1/2 way down the 9900 ft runway, due to the ground fog-haze- low cloud, or whatever they are calling it. 0

I then went to Online weather and toggled it off, and set Clear Skies,.. Guess what, the haze is still there. They have programed the haze in regardless of the weather. 

Mine too.  This is less than 2 miles out at KDAL with Clear and 10.

16 hours ago, Gulfstream said:

That first shot isn't "significantly less than 3 miles visibility" from what I can tell.  It looks fairly realistic to me if the METAR thinks that 10 SM is actually 10 SM and not CAVOK.

I can make out the ground in the distance and that is further than 10 miles from you.  What is your DME showing and what altitude were you at?

You are aware that visibility is not from the cockpit at altitude, right?  It is determined at the surface, either by human observer standing on the ground, or by an automated ground AWOS system.
https://www.weather.gov/asos/asostech

17 minutes ago, fppilot said:

My screen shot below says otherwise.  The only clouds reported at KDAL today have been scattered at 25,000.  Metar was actually Clear with a few at 25,000, which means less than 1/10^th coverage.  The screen shot below was taken at 1 3/4 mi off the touchdown zone of the runway.

 

Mine too.  This is less than 2 miles out at KDAL with Clear and 10.

I tried this last night and had no haze when switching to "Clear Skies." Not sure what's going on.

2 minutes ago, liamp51 said:

I tried this last night and had no haze when switching to "Clear Skies." Not sure what's going on.

If you switch to "clear skies" the metar isn't used anymore, so of course there is no haze created; haze either comes from clouds hanging too low or from a wrong interpretation of the visibility part in the metars.

2 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

If you switch to "clear skies" the metar isn't used anymore, so of course there is no haze created; haze either comes from clouds hanging too low or from a wrong interpretation of the visibility part in the metars.

Yes.  This.  Clear skies is like using "custom" weather.

Just for fun, I had a look at an airport, KABI, where the METAR reported CLR visibility. I also checked the airports within maybe 25 miles and they were all CLR, also. Here is what I saw

KABI 201752Z 22015G24KT 10SM CLR 22/08 A3006 [Elevation: 1780 ft]

Clear skies setting in MSFS: at least 15 miles visibility with light haze at the horizon

Live Weather setting in MSFS: haze with less than 10 mile visibility

Updated Rex Weather Force: same as clear skies setting in MSFS

Now let's try KLAR KLAR 201753Z AUTO 18007KT 10SM FEW039 SCT048 OVC065 03/M04 A3013 [Elevation: 7283 ft]

Clear skies setting in MSFS: only light haze seen at the distant mountains, quite realistic

Live Weather setting in MSFS: Low broken cloud deck, maybe 1500 AGL, with visibility of 3 miles.

Rex WF: Same as clear skies but with an appropriate looking cloud deck with an overcast layer. Good visibility below the deck.

Finally KMLB 201753Z 05018G28KT 10SM FEW026 BKN046 OVC060 24/19 A3014 [Elevation: 33ft]

Clear skies: good visibility

Live Weather: reasonable cloud deck, maybe a bit low, but still acceptable. Not really overcast, however. Good visibility into the ocean

Rex WF: Good overcast layer, but the lower scud isn't obvious. Good visibility.

So, yes, it looks like the clouds are being interpreted as being described as MSL instead of AGL. In addition, however, there is an odd haze at a distance that is being injected by Live Weather even in the absence of clouds around the airport.

No doubt this can be fixed. The problem is not with the way MSFS depicts a given scene, but rather with what Live Weather is telling it to do. Weather Force seems to be able to inject reasonably accurate descriptions into the sim, although it, too, doesn't seem to do very well with depicting multiple layers.

 

 

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

If you switch to "clear skies" the metar isn't used anymore, so of course there is no haze created; haze either comes from clouds hanging too low or from a wrong interpretation of the visibility part in the metars.

Yes but fppilot did the same and still had the haze - that's what I thought was weird!

37 minutes ago, liamp51 said:

Yes but fppilot did the same and still had the haze - that's what I thought was weird!

You do know that there IS a little bit haze present at any given time even when you have clear skies ? I am taking about real world weather here. So if you see a little bit of haze with the clear sky preset, it's because that haze is probably hard coded into the weather engine which looks quite believable and realistic in my opinion. Pre SU7 you used to get this ultra clear environment which looked 'empty' and had no volume to it with infinite visibility. Looked very unrealistic.

I'm getting the same results as jrw4, comparing clear skies preset vs. live weather vs. REX Weather Force.  Looking at KBNA, clear skies with very light haze at the horizon, live weather looks like a fog bank settled in, REX Weather Force looks accurate (really what live weather should look like).

I hate this overdone haze.  If I want realistic weather, I'm going to stick with REX until Asobo gets this sorted.

3 minutes ago, mikeklimek said:

I'm getting the same results as jrw4, comparing clear skies preset vs. live weather vs. REX Weather Force.  Looking at KBNA, clear skies with very light haze at the horizon, live weather looks like a fog bank settled in, REX Weather Force looks accurate (really what live weather should look like).

I hate this overdone haze.  If I want realistic weather, I'm going to stick with REX until Asobo gets this sorted.

I am doing some experimenting now, but I am told that this haze is not a problem in Europe, just in the US, Might  try a couple  of flights in Europe and see if you still get the haze.