13 minutes ago, Republic3D said:

.. but then again, this is a forum where certain people can't tell the difference between LOD 100 and LOD 400. Or 512x512 and 4096x4096 textures.

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15 minutes ago, Republic3D said:

this is a forum where certain people can't tell the difference between LOD 100 and LOD 400

or know what an API like DirectX is all about. I for one don't know much about the DirectX I took, but I do know that I'll love it once MSFS is optimized for DX12:

 

1 hour ago, Baber20 said:

Not everyone is getting worse performance with DX12.

yes he does, except for a single scene in New York city where he is showing 1-3 fps more in DX12, but normally 25 fps less with DX12.

Edited November 21, 20214 yr by turbomax

49 minutes ago, Republic3D said:

I don't know if I'm seeing placebo, but the earth colors and overall balance looks more natural.

.. but then again, this is a forum where certain people can't tell the difference between LOD 100 and LOD 400. Or 512x512 and 4096x4096 textures.

The same forum full of people that loves anecdotal evidence, "I think, I feel, I see" and not a single 1:1 comparison shot despite being on page 3 now, for something you could easily validate with a screenshot. 

7 hours ago, Vlooi said:

I can confirm the shader colour difference, much more natural. And yes, it is not placebo.

Because of this difference in shading I am also running DX12 exclusively.

Thank you....I could see it right off...so I did about three DX11--->DX12--->DX11---DX12 (this is where I saw that every time I switched that out...all my Assist Options went to Easy...EVERY TIME!)  and I saw a great upgrade in visuals...ESPECIALLY on the water, the color, as well as much more 'tightened' shadows, ..and NO more flashing shadow/shore artifacts. None....so, I won't try to convince anybody...that is never my reason to post...only to say "hey, this new, or that is different'  That's the brunt of my posts...  So...'hey, Vlooi,  you and I see the difference, so our eyes can't be that borked!"   LOL

Cheers,

Ses/Mitch

8 minutes ago, Sethos said:

The same forum full of people that loves anecdotal evidence, "I think, I feel, I see" and not a single 1:1 comparison shot despite being on page 3 now, for something you could easily validate with a screenshot. 

I respectively disagree, totally...there is a WORLD of difference between what you see upon your own monitor, and uploads that are compressed and in no way,  exact pixel by pixel representation of a live screen. No way.  There is site and internet compression intersession with any uploaded screen shot.  Anyways...and always... the best 'test' is on one's own monitor, and if they do not 'see' any difference, then that is their right to that observation and opinion, but that opinion, can not be generalized to all. Mine included...(smile).

Ses

Edited November 21, 20214 yr by Sesquashtoo

Just now, Sesquashtoo said:

I disagree, totally...there is a WORLD of difference between what you see upon your own monitor, and uploads that are compressed and in no way,  exact pixel by pixel representation of a live screen. No way.  There is site and internet compression intersession with any uploaded screen shot.  Anyways...and always... the best 'test' is on one's own monitor, and if they do not 'see' any difference, then that is their right to that observation and opinion, but that opinion, can not be generalized to all. Mine included...(smile).

Ses

Yeah, sorry but if you can't tell the difference you claim in a screenshot, then what you claim is simply false or something that is happening locally on your machine, not in the sim. A 1:1 comparison, two identical shots that you can quickly switch between in a tab should easily show the difference.

2 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Yeah, sorry but if you can't tell the difference you claim in a screenshot, then what you claim is simply false or something that is happening locally on your machine, not in the sim. A 1:1 comparison, two identical shots that you can quickly switch between in a tab should easily show the difference.

I'm ok with your views...as they don't change what I see now on my screen.  All good...

On 11/21/2021 at 4:09 AM, ErnstB said:

Hi Sesquashtoo

I am running the same GTX1070 8GB card and quite similar system but stayed on Dx11.

What dirvers are you using?

Best regards

Ernst

471.68   I'm having great performance on my 1070 with this suite.

Thank you!

I am still on 456.71 with good performance, but will change to your 471.68 one.

Ernst

On 11/21/2021 at 2:31 PM, turbomax said:

you provide not s single comparison screenshot to proof your statement, therefore I find it absolutely not credible especially when everybody else reports on average around 10-20 fps less and more stuttering. all your screenshots show a constant 30 fps, which you'll get with 60Hz half monitor refresh or fps limitation in MSFS or Nvidia CP, no matter if DX11 or DX12.

David Mills produced a great DX12/DX11 comparison video, that says it all. if anybody sees any performance or visual improvements in DX12, can I have some of your LDS please:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/610576-video-dx12-vs-dx11-fps-comparison/

 

The sky looks more saturated on the DX12 side seemingly to confirm what the OP was suggesting.

All I have to offer is.... I turned on DX12 beta and I'm keepin' it there. That's what counts, here in my computer room. Simple. Do what you prefer, in your computer room.

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

The sky looks more saturated

if you say so. it will look slightly different every time you re-run the same flight. clouds will always be slightly different. no matter if DX11/DX12.

 

Edited November 22, 20214 yr by turbomax

From what I can see so far through my own personal testing is that on my specs, there is no loss of performance on DX12, but if there is any gain it is a couple of frames if that, and it could be just local conditions, which even if set identically, are subject to minor change.

What I have seen, by using AMD hardware is that the use of multi-threaded mesh shaders, which are new to DX12 seem to me (and this is personal) to provide a slightly better depth of colour and density.

In addition, it is noticable that my CPU utilisation has dropped to an increase in GPU usage, and my memory footprint has lowered slightly and my core utilisation on the CPU showes more usage of the multi cores.

Considering that this implementation is literally just replacing the wrappers and allowing the hardware to utilise it's built in functions, I hold out hopes for some real improvements when optimised with real DX12 code, especially on modern hardware.

I am using the latest AMD GOTY drivers which I think were optimised for the new DX12 workflow and DX12 multi-tasking shaders.

Graham

You’re all talking about frame rate. No one ever talks about frame time. In DX12, the frame time is all over the place.