53 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Incompetence doesn't depend on the complexity of the software; you can be just as incompetent with complex software. If something is complex, one would expect to hire enough competent people to assure quality. By the way I'd recommend you refrain from calling other people ignorand and clueless.

Ignorance and cluelenessess are pretty much by the book definitions for implying that Asobo is incompetent. They have achieved things that no other sim developer managed to achieve. Compared with other sims in a similar timeframe from their release, MSFS is basically ultrapolished. 

Complexity means that issues will happen, *especially* in a beta designed to find and correct those issues, regardless of who you hire. "assured quality" is by definition not part of a beta's characteristics.  

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by Abriael

23 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Can you imagine the utter mind numbing boredom of writing code?

Nope.  I wrote code for 10 years and loved every minute of it.  Take requirements from a department and turn their manual system into an automatic one.  Over time incorporate new suggestions and fix bugs.

One of the most rewarding jobs I have done.

12 minutes ago, Abriael said:

Ignorance and cluelenessess are pretty much by the book definitions for implying that Asobo is incompetent. They have achieved things that no other sim developer managed to achieve. Compared with other sims in a similar timeframe from their release, MSFS is basically ultrapolished. 

Complexity means that issues will happen, *especially* in a beta designed to find and correct those issues, regardless of who you hire. "assured quality" is by definition not part of a beta's characteristics.  

It's obvious we strongly differ in what level of quality we expect, so there's not much sense in debating about where MSFS objectively stands.

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

It's called "making changes to complex software" style. 

I would add "after more than a year and a half..."

10 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

It's obvious we strongly differ in what level of quality we expect, so there's not much sense in debating about where MSFS objectively stands.

If you have "expectations" of any level of quality from a beta, you don't have the foggiest idea of what a beta is, so you may want not to throw shade at anyone else's competence.

As for where MSFS objectively stands, anyone who doesn't have very short memory knows it stands in a much better position than any other previous sim in semi-recent memory 19 months after their release, and not by a small margin. Both X-plane and P3D still have massive optimization and stability issues *today.*

8 minutes ago, edpatino said:

I would add "after more than a year and a half..."

See above.

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by Abriael

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

Yeah I used the wrong word, sorry. It's corrected now. Apart from that seems like a mod needs to tell you again that offending people is not something we like on Avsim. Thought you would know that after 8670 posts.

I stand by my comment 1000%:  "It's a reaction born of ignorance and you see it somewhat frequently here from people who are clueless about MS/A's prioritization scheme and the interconnectedness of so many components in this simulation of a ginourmous real world."  I'm sorry you feel offended, and as I said, feel free to ignore this as not applying to you in particular--and feel free to consider me 'clueless' about you and your knowledge of the inner workings of MS/Asobo.  

14 minutes ago, Noel said:

I stand by my comment 1000%:  "It's a reaction born of ignorance and you see it somewhat frequently here from people who are clueless about MS/A's prioritization scheme and the interconnectedness of so many components in this simulation of a ginourmous real world."  I'm sorry you feel offended, and as I said, feel free to ignore this as not applying to you in particular--and feel free to consider me 'clueless' about you and your knowledge of the inner workings of MS/Asobo.  

No worries, I am not offended. No sense or reason in becoming offended on the internet anyway. Any discussion or argument has an inherent potential to achieve progress and is fundamentally democratic. I just consider factual arguments more useful to a discussion than expressions that are ad hominem, that's why I made that recommendation to you.

25 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

No worries, I am not offended. No sense or reason in becoming offended on the internet anyway. Any discussion or argument has an inherent potential to achieve progress and is fundamentally democratic. I just consider factual arguments more useful to a discussion than expressions that are ad hominem, that's why I made that recommendation to you.

Well good I'm glad you're not offended as you most certainly sounded offended, "that seems like a mod needs to tell you again that offending people...."  Here's a suggestion:  let's leave it be now and move along.  

Jeez guys, like seriously, is a freaking beta and we need to test it not fight over who's incompetent. You folks gotta concentrate on testing and report the issues, not fighting like children. 

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10. Reduction of clouds banding that appear at close range

Oh glorious day! Asobo have improved the clouds at close range and now they look more like they used to at release! Funny how they fixed something that was apparently caused by over-sharpening as I was told.

WU7

 

SU9 BETA

Ohh man the terrain is transforming just as you fly over it…how can I revert to SU8 ? 

17 minutes ago, roi1862 said:

Ohh man the terrain is transforming just as you fly over it…how can I revert to SU8 ? 

You mean that’s worse than it was before? 

Just now, Ianrivaldosmith said:

You mean that’s worse than it was before? 

TBH I never saw it before. Now i simply cant miss it... 😞 

1 minute ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

You mean that’s worse than it was before? 

I am seeing more triangular terrain that transforms as you approach, certainly more than before SU9 beta.

I am going back to SU8 for the time being.  Lots of improvements in SU9 beta but this is the first beta that is very unstable for me, to the point I can’t load the sim. Two improvements that I was pleased about are improved clouds and no more hoover sounds in the cockpit.

I was able to fly SU9 beta as long as FSIUPC was not allowed to start.  After a few flights the sim refused to start at all, despite an empty community folder.  The screen started alternating between MSFS and a black screen!

Not upset by it because this stuff should be expected in a beta, but this time around I couldn’t fly at all. At least I’m on the Steam version so a single click gets me back to SU8.