14 hours ago, Chapstick said:

Anything in this update that helps GSX get to release?

Actually, SU9 comes with a catastrophic bug, that affects ALL ground vehicles. Basically, most animations that depends on code and variables are completely broken, this even with default Ground Vehicles and nothing in the Community folder.

For example, default Passenger stairs, Catering trucks, jetways, are all affected, wheels don't steer anymore and they rotate at the wrong speed, stairs or catering platform don't raise. This will of course affect GSX, and each and every other add-on that use this kind of animations.

The most annoying thing for us is that, unless Asobo comes out with a quick fix very early next week, we don't have any other choice than opt-out of the beta in order to continue working on GSX, which will of course prevent us to report other bugs in the meantime.

I kindly ask everybody using SU9 Beta, to VOTE the bug we opened here:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/regression-all-ground-vehicles-have-no-longer-working-animations-the-service-trucks-even-if-they-are-positioned-have-no-working-animations/508442

Getting enough votes might increase the chance for this bug to be placed higher in their priorities.

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by virtuali

15 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Oh thank god

From me too. 🤣

5 minutes ago, virtuali said:

Actually, SU9 comes with a catastrophic bug, that affects ALL ground vehicles. Basically, most animations that depends on code and variables are completely broken, this even with default Ground Vehicles and nothing in the Community folder.

For example, default Passenger stairs, Catering trucks, jetways, are all affected, wheels don't steer anymore and they rotate at the wrong speed, stairs or catering platform don't raise. This will of course affect GSX, and each and every other add-on that use this kind of animations.

The most annoying thing for us is that, unless Asobo comes out with a quick fix very early next week, we don't have any other choice than opt-out of the beta in order to continue working on GSX, which will of course prevent us to report other bugs in the meantime.

I kindly ask everybody using SU9 Beta, to VOTE the bug we opened here:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/regression-all-ground-vehicles-have-no-longer-working-animations-the-service-trucks-even-if-they-are-positioned-have-no-working-animations/508442

Getting vote might increase the chance for this bug to be placed higher in their priorities.

How do they do this stuff? How do they completely wreck non-related stuff in their updates? It's like they do it on purpose.

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by Fiorentoni

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

How do they do this stuff? How do they completely wreck non-related stuff in their updates? It's like they do it on purpose.

That is why there is a beta, to test these kinda of stuff 

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by omarsmak30

Any thoughts on DX12 now?

ive done a quick test and can see no obvious benefit still, frames are about the same for a slightly higher GPU usage, and cockpit panning was stuttering for me too.

 

like I said, this was a quick test using the C172 at Zell am see.

15 hours ago, virtuali said:

and stability

Hope so..., SDK included

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by edpatino

8 minutes ago, hanhamreds said:

Any thoughts on DX12 now?

ive done a quick test and can see no obvious benefit still, frames are about the same for a slightly higher GPU usage, and cockpit panning was stuttering for me too.

 

like I said, this was a quick test using the C172 at Zell am see.

I tried DX12 and it messed my sim up, it caused a CTD everytime during load up! I left the beta and the sim booted up fine, switched back to DX11 but now the sim loads fine but I can't start a flight as the button isn't even showing! Now I have uninstalled and I am in the process of reinstalling and hoping it works! My sim was super stable before....

Edited April 2, 20224 yr by RabH
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18 minutes ago, hanhamreds said:

Any thoughts on DX12 now?

ive done a quick test and can see no obvious benefit still, frames are about the same for a slightly higher GPU usage, and cockpit panning was stuttering for me too.

 

like I said, this was a quick test using the C172 at Zell am see.

Microsoft/Asobo hasn't even started optimizing MSFS for DirectX 12 yet. I don't even recall seeing a single task completed with respect to optimizing for DirectX 12 in the last two Sim Update release notes.  

Just use DirectX 11 for now.  I doubt we will see any optimizations for DirectX 12 until the latter part of this year.

38 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

How do they do this stuff? How do they completely wreck non-related stuff in their updates? It's like they do it on purpose.

That's what the opt-in beta is for.  Despite Jorg mentioning that they have some 50 testers for MSFS, stuff will slip past their testing team. Stuff slipped past their testing team in the past, stuff slipped past their testing team in this SU9 beta build, and stuff will slip past their testing team in future Sim Updates. Fortunately, with the public opt-in beta test, as long as they give enough time for the opt-in beta (and I think this time, they have given themselves enough time), they should be able to fix it by the time SU9 is released.

1 minute ago, abrams_tank said:

Microsoft/Asobo hasn't even started optimizing MSFS for DirectX 12 yet. I don't even recall seeing a single task completed with respect to optimizing for DirectX 12 in the last two Sim Update release notes.  

Just use DirectX 11 for now.  I doubt we will see any optimizations for DirectX 12 until the latter part of this year.

I believe it has been indicated that Sim update 10 are when the first optimisations are going to start being introduced.

I think it was discussed in the last Q&A.

Just now, abrams_tank said:

That's what the opt-in beta is for.  Despite Jorg mentioning that they have some 50 testers for MSFS, stuff will slip past their testing team. Stuff slipped past their testing team in the past, stuff slipped past their testing team in this SU9 beta build, and stuff will slip past their testing team in future Sim Updates. Fortunately, with the public opt-in beta test, as long as they give enough time for the opt-in beta (and I think this time, they have given themselves enough time), they should be able to fix it by the time SU9 is released.

I'm not talking about having bugs in a beta, I am talking about having absolutely non-related bugs coming out of nowhere. There was no work on ground equipment in this SU, was there?

4 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

That's what the opt-in beta is for.  Despite Jorg mentioning that they have some 50 testers for MSFS, stuff will slip past their testing team. Stuff slipped past their testing team in the past, stuff slipped past their testing team in this SU9 beta build, and stuff will slip past their testing team in future Sim Updates. Fortunately, with the public opt-in beta test, as long as they give enough time for the opt-in beta (and I think this time, they have given themselves enough time), they should be able to fix it by the time SU9 is released.

Providing they listen to the beta testers and don't release the update anyway, bugs included. 

Just now, Fiorentoni said:

I'm not talking about having bugs in a beta, I am talking about having absolutely non-related bugs coming out of nowhere. There was no work on ground equipment in this SU, was there?

From my understanding, there are some millions of lines of code in MSFS.  If you do professional software development, sometimes the code is so complex, a fix for a specific section of code can generate bugs in places you never expect.  

If you are asking me to guess what happened?  It's possible they modified the functions of a central library that is called by various parts of the sim, including the ground equipment parts of the sim.  Perhaps the modification of this central library was not expected to affect the ground equipment, but it did.  

 

6 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Providing they listen to the beta testers and don't release the update anyway, bugs included. 

So I don't think they are going to fix every bug reported by the beta testers.  But they will fix the "show stopping bugs."  I suspect they will fix the spad.next bug since a lot of people using spad.next are outright CTDing.

What I think is important is that they give themselves enough time in the public opt-in beta phase to fix the bugs.  I think they gave themselves an extra week and a half this time for SU9, compared to SU8, so I am going to guess they will be able to fix the most pressing bugs before the release.

Of course, I do support them postponing the SU9 release if they can't fix the "show stopping" bugs in time.  But I don't think there is a need to push back the SU9 release if there are lower priority bugs still left.  

52 minutes ago, omarsmak30 said:

That is why there is a beta, for to test kinda of stuff 

And silly me always thought beta comes from better 😉