3 hours ago, jcomm said:

Clouds, ATC & AI, airport services...

It's all in the good way !

The question becomes, are they ever going to fix the corresponding SDKs 

1 hour ago, KERNEL32 said:

When I first loaded up SU10 I though there may have been improvements but I think I suffered placebo effect.

I have lost sight of the ground through overcast layers in SU10. I am a big user of Rex WeatherForce, being critical of Live Weather for some time. However, I am 100% using Live Weather during the beta and I have been impressed with improvements in cloud depiction.  I have seen overcast stratus layers that can't be seen through, as well as various stratus like layers mixed with cumulus/CB's.

I will probably go back to Rex WeatherForce at the end of the beta, unless clouds continue to improve until SU10 release.  However, Credit where it is due, so a thumbs up from me with the improvements made in this beta.

4 hours ago, Alvega said:

Yes, the clouds have improved. The problem now is there are many airports where there are no clouds even if the metar shows various layers of clouds. But I'm sure they will fix it.

Agreed.  

50 minutes ago, Silicus said:

Well, you see, why does Rex Weather Force (I own it, I don't like it, because of the stutters when it refreshes the weather

Stuttering is the big negative in Rex Weather Force, but that negative for me is outweighed by the excellent cloud depiction. Live Weather has so far been smoother, but does not look as good as Rex - SO FAR 🙂  SU10 is a step forward with the clouds, but so far not a big enough jump for me to stop using Rex - unless of course SU10 has some more improvements before release.

20 minutes ago, snwboardn said:

The question becomes, are they ever going to fix the corresponding SDKs 

Don't know, but as it is it's good enough for someone who never used it at all like me...

1 hour ago, Silicus said:

Well, you see, why does Rex Weather Force (I own it, I don't like it, because of the stutters when it refreshes the weather and because of a bunch of other things) have more accurate cloud depiction??? They have the cloud types much more accurate (by no means perfect) in many instances. I am not asking for perfection, I just have the feeling Asobo/MSFS dumbs down certain things in the sim, which technology wise is could be much more advanced..... 

Have you considered that it is REX that dumbs down? If they are using old school tech as a workaround?

47 minutes ago, espent said:

why does Rex Weather Force (I own it, I don't like it, because of the stutters when it refreshes the weather and because of a bunch of other things) have more accurate cloud depiction???

To be clear, these are just my opinions, I don't represent the MSFS team, nor WT in this instance.

The short answer is it doesn't.

The long answer is that all REX does is look up weather from a server and then uses that data to create a weather theme. It has no more ability than a user editing via the weather preset popup panel window does. It can't create weather the sim can't already represent natively. It doesn't have its own cloud tech or rendering at all. It's just a weather theme generator. If you feel that REX is getting you more accurate clouds, it is because the sim is capable of generating them already.

I will categorically say nothing is dumbed down, that much I am sure of.

 

8 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

The long answer is that all REX does is look up weather from a server and then uses that data to create a weather theme. It has no more ability than a user editing via the weather preset popup panel window does. It can't create weather the sim can't already represent natively. It doesn't have its own cloud tech or rendering at all. It's just a weather theme generator. If you feel that REX is getting you more accurate clouds, it is because the sim is capable of generating them already.

Agree with your assessment.  REX has not created better clouds etc which is what they market.  It is simply the difference between static WX scenarios and Live WX.  Live WX for some reason is not able to generate the exact same thing that you can with a theme (ie Thunderstorms, etc).  Hopefully it continues to get better.

3 hours ago, MattNischan said:

 

It will get there, but it's not just a single company effort, this is a whole industry effort working together and sharing these techniques as this way of doing things is explored more and more in real-time graphical applications.

Thanks for the technical explanation.  I will try to have a bit more grace when I consider the clouds in-sim.

3 hours ago, Silicus said:

Well, you see, why does Rex Weather Force (I own it, I don't like it, because of the stutters when it refreshes the weather and because of a bunch of other things) have more accurate cloud depiction??? They have the cloud types much more accurate (by no means perfect) in many instances. I am not asking for perfection, I just have the feeling Asobo/MSFS dumbs down certain things in the sim, which technology wise is could be much more advanced..... 

Humm.  As a REX WF user I was unaware that REX WF had anything to do with cloud textures.  I have been under the understanding WF is an engine to inject recorded/reported weather conditions, not textures. 

I love REX cloud textures in FSX/ FSX SE and sorely wish Reed and his team had cloud textures for MSFS.  But I believe not yet. When the necessary information is available to them I am confident they will respond post haste!

Edited July 18, 20223 yr by fppilot

9 hours ago, Silicus said:

Well, you see, why does Rex Weather Force (I own it, I don't like it, because of the stutters when it refreshes the weather and because of a bunch of other things) have more accurate cloud depiction??? They have the cloud types much more accurate (by no means perfect) in many instances. I am not asking for perfection, I just have the feeling Asobo/MSFS dumbs down certain things in the sim, which technology wise is could be much more advanced..... 

As @MattNischan said, Rex Weather is just using whatever cloud types MSFS can produce already, and that you can produce if you manually use the weather presets.

I don't think Asobo is dumbing down anything in MSFS though.  More like Asobo may not be able to interpret the data from METAR and Meteoblue to the best of its abilities, to generate the same clouds that Rex Weather Force can (or that you can generate if you manually configure the weather presets).  As mentioned in other threads already, when MSFS switched over to METAR, there was a loss in the variation of cloud types. But this was because MSFS is using a new engine to interpret the METAR data. So Asobo needs to refine the new engine further, to better interpret (or in some cases, maybe even interpolate) the data from METAR and Meteoblue, so there is more cloud variation shown in the sim.

16 hours ago, MattNischan said:

To be clear, these are just my opinions, I don't represent the MSFS team, nor WT in this instance.

The short answer is it doesn't.

The long answer is that all REX does is look up weather from a server and then uses that data to create a weather theme. It has no more ability than a user editing via the weather preset popup panel window does. It can't create weather the sim can't already represent natively. It doesn't have its own cloud tech or rendering at all. It's just a weather theme generator. If you feel that REX is getting you more accurate clouds, it is because the sim is capable of generating them already.

I will categorically say nothing is dumbed down, that much I am sure of.

 

I accept your explanation of how REX are doing it, but the method is of no real concern to me.  The important fact is I am seeing better cloud variation with Live Weather by using Rex Weather Force.  No doubt at all MSFS live weather will get there as SU10 cloud variety has improved.

Perhaps MS could utilise the Rex method.

PHNL a couple days ago

Sorry to say...Looks as awful as ever! 

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Perhaps MS could utilise the Rex method.

Asobo probably knows what Rex is doing.  But Asobo has a different data set to interpret, as well as ensuring METAR and MeteoBlue all mix well together. It's an entirely different challenge for Asobo, versus what Rex is doing.