@MrBitstFlyer Was going through the comments in the dev blog and someone mentioned a script that used to do wonders for shadows in version 11. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated yet for v12. This could potentially fix the shadow issue. Worth a look https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/64093-asha-advanced-shadows-and-appearance/

1 hour ago, Baber20 said:

@MrBitstFlyer Was going through the comments in the dev blog and someone mentioned a script that used to do wonders for shadows in version 11. Unfortunately it hasn't been updated yet for v12. This could potentially fix the shadow issue. Worth a look https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/64093-asha-advanced-shadows-and-appearance/

Update for FlyWithLua XP-12 here.  just about to try ASHA - thanks!.

Edited September 18, 20223 yr by MrBitstFlyer

1 hour ago, Murmur said:

Both requested by me! 😀 Happy to learn they're taking them into consideration. I think no sim has ever modeled accurately the blue hour. If well done, that would make for some majestic screenshots.

The (also much maligned) Aerofly Flightsims have always had moonlight night lighting as a feature, and its actually quite nicely done.

13 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Update for FlyWithLua XP-12 here.  just about to try ASHA - thanks!.

ASHA not working for me 😒

3 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

ASHA not working for me 😒

Yeah same. I am trying to get in touch with the author. Left him a dm on org. Let's see if he replies back.

6 hours ago, Murmur said:

Both requested by me! 😀 Happy to learn they're taking them into consideration. I think no sim has ever modeled accurately the blue hour. If well done, that would make for some majestic screenshots.

Murmur, Flight Unlimited 3 did it too, long long long ago !!! 🙂

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

Murmur, Flight Unlimited 3 did it too, long long long ago !!! 🙂

The blue hour?

1 hour ago, Murmur said:

The blue hour?

Per Wikipedia:

”The blue hour is the period of twilight when the Sun is at a significant depth below the horizon. During this time, the remaining sunlight takes on a mostly blue shade. This shade differs from the colour of the sky on a clear day, which is caused by Rayleigh scattering.”

1 hour ago, Murmur said:

The blue hour?

Hmmm, not sure... Been a looooong time 🙂

I have a feeling that the default C90B has received a bit of love from Laminar. More functional switches and it flies much more nicely than it did in XP11, with 225 KIAS at 250 pph at FL250 being no issue at all.

 

 

One thing I don't like about XP12 is that lighted elements like annunciators are very hard to read when flying in broad daylight as the virtual eye remains adapted to ouside conditions instead of allowing for more light from inside at the cost of view distance outside. Virtual sunglasses providing actual polarization would help tremenduously here., but the default ones just make everything darker.

And all external lights are very hard to see, if at all, in daylight. While not as effective as at night, there should at least be a perceptible flash from strobes and beacons and landing and nav lights being visible at their source for the very least. But Laminar probably already knows this.

Edited September 18, 20223 yr by Bjoern

12 minutes ago, Bjoern said:

I have a feeling that the default C90B has received a bit of love from Laminar. More functional switches and it flies much more nicely than it did in XP11, with 225 KIAS at 250 pph at FL250 being no issue at all.

 

 

One thing I don't like about XP12 is that lighted elements like annunciators are very hard to read when flying in broad daylight as the virtual eye remains adapted to ouside conditions instead of allowing for more light from inside at the cost of view distance outside. Virtual sunglasses providing actual polarization would help tremenduously here., but the default ones just make everything darker.

And all external lights are very hard to see, if at all, in daylight. While not as effective as at night, there should at least be a perceptible flash from strobes and beacons and landing and nav lights being visible at their source for the very least. But Laminar probably already knows this.

When you use rasterization as a methodology to generate light/shadow, it doesn't account for ray bounce. In real life. Light bounces off surface. In order to demonstrate that to you. Here's a example of a game that with Ray Tracing. 

The image on the left is using Global Illumination but no light bounce. There is only 1 light source in this scene. AS you can see. on the left, The rest of the room is super dark but reality is more like image on the right. So what developer has been doing for years is they are adding additional light sources to try to approximate the image on the right. Xplane 12 does that as well. There is a differently light source from the VC compare to the external light becaue Xplane 12 doesn't account for light bouncing of the material and lighting up the VC. Also you eyes does adapt between very bright and darker area depending on where you look so it's a really hard thing to simulate. I think LR needs a lot of work regarding their lighting in the VC to try to make what that would look like if they are trying to simulator Ray Tracing look. I hope this helps. 

Edited September 18, 20223 yr by fogboundturtle

24 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

When you use rasterization as a methodology to generate light/shadow, it doesn't account for ray bounce. In real life. Light bounces off surface. In order to demonstrate that to you. Here's a example of a game that with Ray Tracing.

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The image on the left is using Global Illumination but no light bounce. There is only 1 light source in this scene. AS you can see. on the left, The rest of the room is super dark but reality is more like image on the right. So what developer has been doing for years is they are adding additional light sources to try to approximate the image on the right. Xplane 12 does that as well. There is a differently light source from the VC compare to the external light becaue Xplane 12 doesn't account for light bouncing of the material and lighting up the VC. Also you eyes does adapt between very bright and darker area depending on where you look so it's a really hard thing to simulate. I think LR needs a lot of work regarding their lighting in the VC to try to make what that would look like if they are trying to simulator Ray Tracing look. I hope this helps. 

That was indeed insightful. Thanks!

XP12 at night is really well done. The moving car traffic and lighting system is spot on. 

5 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

XP12 at night is really well done. The moving car traffic and lighting system is spot on. 

it doesn't have any light pollution affecting the sky and it's only orange light so lots of work to be done on their part.

56 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

it doesn't have any light pollution affecting the sky and it's only orange light so lots of work to be done on their part.

Even still, it’s better than the sometimes blurry mess I see in msfs, and the road traffic is way ahead. I wish msfs road traffic was like xplane.