The thousands of positive Youtube videos about MSFS are genuine; or maybe most of them were posted by a very few people all working for Asobo as a trick. Hard to decide...

 

29 minutes ago, steve310002 said:

Thanks. Out of curiosity, how does it rate against payware like World Traffic and Just Flight's offering (I can't recall the name)?

Very good freeware, put's aircraft in the sky and on the ground but as the program doesn't know the schedule they just popup on the ground and not sit at the gate

You might want to mention that XP ATC won't know about these aircrafts generated by LiveTraffic so they might just land on top of you

20 hours ago, Phantom88 said:

Is VR working in the early release? Thank You 

I had hoped for a smoother experience with new rig using Ryzen 5800 X3D, RTX3090 and 32 Gb RAM

Clouds are flickering/shimmering badly in Quest 2. it is awful.

Have tried with several sliders up and down and motion reprojection settings but not yet achieved an acceptable compromise.
 

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, peroni said:

You might want to mention that XP ATC won't know about these aircrafts generated by LiveTraffic so they might just land on top of you

Sure ... as the name says, it is live traffic - generated from these sites. Thus, these planes don't care about XP-ATC and vice versa. And they also don't care about your plane - how should they? 🤷‍♂️😄

Edited September 7, 20223 yr by flying_carpet

1 hour ago, mjrhealth said:

sorry they have got rather hard over the years they seem to be the underdog that everyone likes to pick on

Come on, that’s a tad childish. They’re a commercial team releasing a commercial product, and we’re all commenting on it as actual or potential consumers. If they offered clear benefits in the areas that are important to me over the competition, I’d drop the competition like yesterday’s chip wrapping.

27 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

s in the areas that are important to me over the competition, I’d drop the competition like yesterday’s chip wrapping.

Thats the problem, its a flight sim, the most important part is the flght model which xplane excels at, and there paying customers ie flight sim companies demand, but all i hear is we want pretty scenery, you have that in the other sim, its important to you so why dont you just stay there and enjoy flying it. Just watched a dude on line do 737 land 100 ft cloud base and was getting to 15fps, as he kept changing views, didnt even drop into time mode like it used to, that was max cloud cover. stil landed at 30 fps once it caught up.

As I said, some will never be happy no matter what they do.

As for chidish, dad  if you dont give me ill scream. Thats chidish, Im sure that bit will be removed by mods.

Topics like ground textures roads beaches have all being discussed including cloud performance improvement. Roads i mentioned before, seems you are ignoring all they said, They gave us exactly what they promised for initial release.

Edited September 7, 20223 yr by mjrhealth

3 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

the most important part is the flght model

Biggest misconception ever, in the modern flight sim era. 

4 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Biggest misconception ever, in the modern flight sim era. 

Ye funny that we want as flight game sim.

6 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Ye funny that we want as flight game sim.

I didn't say that did I?

VFR flying is 90% looking out of the window. Scanning your surroundings with very brief glances at the instruments. The terrain plays a MAJOR part in this. Is this not simulation flight? Of course it is. It is more than just flight model. That is so 90's, when the graphics didn't enable such a feat. Now, they are capable of producing that. So why would we not want it? Its not about 'fancy graphics' it is, like you say, about simulating flight, and I reiterate simulating VFR flight is just as much about the flight model as it is the 'pretty' scenery out of the window! 

By your definition, you're saying XP12 is only an IFR simulator? 

PS again, 90+% of people in here are home consumers, not flightsim companies. 

Edited September 7, 20223 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

41 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

Sure ... as the name says, it is live traffic - generated from these sites. Thus, these planes don't care about XP-ATC and vice versa. And they also don't care about your plane - how should they? 🤷‍♂️😄

It would be hte other way around, if the XP ATC had an interface for external programs to use (maybe it has now?) then any injected traffic could be handled by ATC in some way.

Anyway, since Jim Keir, main developer of Global Traffic is also now partly(?) working for Laminar and redoing the ATC maybe some integration of external traffic tools can be achieved. We'll see.

 

17 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Thats the problem, its a flight sim, the most important part is the flght model which xplane excels at, and there paying customers ie flight sim companies demand, but all i hear is we want pretty scenery, you have that in the other sim, its important to you so why dont you just stay there and enjoy flying it. Just watched a dude on line do 737 land 100 ft cloud base and was getting to 15fps, as he kept changing views, didnt even drop into time mode like it used to, that was max cloud cover. stil landed at 30 fps once it caught up.

As I said, some will never be happy no matter what they do.

A) In any commercial, desktop flight simulator for home use, the flight model is no more important than the clouds, the lighting, the scenery, the weather model, in simulating the experience of ‘flight’. It’s a ‘Flight Simulator’, not a ‘Flight Dynamics of Certain Aircraft Simulator’. If flight model is the most important thing, you shouldn’t be using any desktop simulator, you should be using an FAA-approved training setup. 

B) If flight model is the most important thing, why have LR spent so much time on the visuals / atmospherics in the last two versions?

C) What do you mean XPlane excels at the ‘flight model’? I think just the other day a Level D technician said look-up tables tested against real-world data is what Level D uses, and however interesting I find the ‘out-of-envelope’ performance of either MSFS’s CFD or X-Plane’s flavor of BET, it’s all highly speculative. Do you think Milviz’s 310 in MSFS has a less reliable model than the Hotstart Challenger? They both seem to offer widely-credited simulations of their real-life counterparts’ performance. 

D) Yes, some will never be happy, but it’s highly unlikely that anyone panning either sim’s visuals / FM is doing it out of loyalty to mega-corporations or eccentric but poorly-dressed millionaires.
 

 

Edited September 7, 20223 yr by scotchegg

9 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

A) In any commercial, desktop flight simulator for home use, the flight model is no more important than the clouds, the lighting, the scenery, the weather model, in simulating the experience of ‘flight’. It’s a ‘Flight Simulator’, not a ‘Flight Dynamics of Certain Aircraft Simulator’. If flight model is the most important thing, you shouldn’t be using any desktop simulator, you should be using an FAA-approved training setup. 

B) If flight model is the most important thing, why have LR spent so much time on the visuals / atmospherics in the last two versions?

C) What do you mean XPlane excels at the ‘flight model’? I think just the other day a Level D technician said look-up tables tested against real-world data is what Level D uses, and however interesting I find the ‘out-of-envelope’ performance of either MSFS’s CFD or X-Plane’s flavor of BET, it’s all highly speculative. Do you think Milviz’s 310 in MSFS has a less reliable model than the Hotstart Challenger? They both seem to offer widely-credited simulations of their real-life counterparts’ performance. 

D) Yes, some will never be happy, but it’s highly unlikely that anyone panning either sim’s visuals / FM is doing it out of loyalty to mega-corporations or eccentric but poorly-dressed millionaires.
 

 

You have your flight sim of choice so why dont you stick with it and leave us alone, They gave you clouds they gave you rain they gave you snow, apparently on other forum some one wanted flooded runways, puddles where not enough, you even have seasons, and snow that falls when it should not just because of the seasons. and global weather, And you wonder why Janov isnt here any more. Too much of a headache. Maybe i should just do what ive done before and remove myself, bu tI dont think i can delete my account and leave you lot to your complaining.

20 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I didn't say that did I?

VFR flying is 90% looking out of the window. Scanning your surroundings with very brief glances at the instruments. The terrain plays a MAJOR part in this. Is this not simulation flight? Of course it is. It is more than just flight model. That is so 90's, when the graphics didn't enable such a feat. Now, they are capable of producing that. So why would we not want it? Its not about 'fancy graphics' it is, like you say, about simulating flight, and I reiterate simulating VFR flight is just as much about the flight model as it is the 'pretty' scenery out of the window! 

By your definition, you're saying XP12 is only an IFR simulator? 

PS again, 90+% of people in here are home consumers, not flightsim companies. 

As I said above you have all that what else do you want now, when will the never ending demands end. But that is todays world demand demand never satisfied

6 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

As I said above you have all that what else do you want now, when will the never ending demands end. But that is todays world demand demand never satisfied

What are you talking about? Are you a spokesperson for Laminar? I don’t think so. 
We are merely presenting our opinion on the latest XP12. It does some things good, and some things bad. Hence the title of the topic. If you can’t handle that, maybe you should remove yourself? 
 

PS if people rested on one’s laurels, then we would never make any further progress. 

Edited September 7, 20223 yr by Ianrivaldosmith