5 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

No! Appeal to authority is logical argument when person instead providing fact appear to opinion of well respected person. From all I can tell inBuilds WX radar can be titled and show volumetric weather. Of course I welcome any impairment for weather API.

As far as extreme realism we fly a lot of airplanes without changing oil, or hydraulic fluid and it doesn't kill immersion. I'd say even to have radar like in A310 would be great.

Thanks for sharing this sd_flyer.  I didn't know the iniBuilds A310 weather radar can be tilted.

So it appears that different altitudes and tilting is possible with the weather radar SDK in MSFS for WASM.

4 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Thanks for sharing this sd_flyer.  I didn't know the iniBuilds A310 weather radar can be tilted.

So it appears that different altitudes and tilting is possible with the weather radar SDK in MSFS for WASM.

 

Be interesting to know if the information on how to do that is available in the SDK documentation/on the MS developers site and available to everyone or if it's a specific techinque ini developed that isn't free available

5 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Thanks for sharing this sd_flyer.  I didn't know the iniBuilds A310 weather radar can be tilted.

So it appears that different altitudes and tilting is possible with the weather radar SDK in MSFS for WASM.

Yes there is knob tilt on middle pedestal. By default it titled up. I always adjust it to 0. When you tilt weather radar return picture changes. Now I really wish inbuilt make terrain radar! LOL

4 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Yes there is knob tilt on middle pedestal. By default it titled up. I always adjust it to 0. When you tilt weather radar return picture changes. Now I really wish inbuilt make terrain radar! LOL

Interesting, because that didn’t work for me.  No matter what tilt angle I set, I still got the same weather returns.  I’ll have to try it again, and I’m not ruling out operator error.

7 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

Hmm, what you said seems to be inaccurate, as of SU10.  Matt Nischan, the head of Working Title, gave an example of what the weather radar SDK can do in SU10. From what I read from Matt Nischan's comments, the SU10 weather radar API for WASM does cover various altitudes

Yes, I think this may be correct, but the issue is for WASM aircraft. 737NG Driver had a good explanation and example using the A310, which has a tilt button that does not appear to make any difference to the returns:

 

26 minutes ago, Cognita said:

Yes, I think this may be correct, but the issue is for WASM aircraft. 737NG Driver had a good explanation and example using the A310, which has a tilt button that does not appear to make any difference to the returns:

 

At the 4:13 mark (https://youtu.be/SdV5Q6dPQ1Y?t=253), 737NG Driver says that returning the various altitudes from weather radar SDK is only available in Javascript and not WASM.

I had thought all the functionality for the weather radar that was available in Javascript in the SDK is now available for WASM after SU10 (wasn't that the whole point of all the work that Asobo did for the weather radar for SU10?).  Maybe @MattNischan can clarify this, whether what 737NG Driver is saying is accurate or not?

 

 

 

Edited November 23, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

3 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

No! Appeal to authority is logical argument when person instead providing fact appear to opinion of well respected person.

Captain, he didn't provided facts (specifically quotes from RSR, Aamir/Dave, or FBW), but there are facts:

Made by RSR this week:

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We have done a significant amount of work in the background to bring forward some new features that were unlocked in the MSF SU11 updates- but many of these were found to either not work properly (pause behaviors) or remain insufficient to provide accurate results (wx radar, par example) and remain in development.

Jorg responded to the requests of these devs in the Q&A this week. This is what he said:

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“People want access to the weather via the API, different data than the 2D map we’re currently giving. That’s something we need to chat with [Meteoblue] about, but we have some… we have all kinds of things. We have a few future features we’re going to discuss with them as well. So we’ll… we’ll get back to you early next year with the answers on this.”

The opinions of FNX are posted last page. I cannot stress enough how the opinions of these people cannot be dismissed as misunderstanding the capabilities of the current API.

Edited November 23, 20223 yr by WestAir

Personally, I am hopefully that a proper weather radar will come, but it is clearly going to take some time for ASOBO to liaison with Metroblue to have the data they need and then to develop the API to make it accessible. It is going to take time but it will come.

8 minutes ago, Cognita said:

Personally, I am hopefully that a proper weather radar will come, but it is clearly going to take some time for ASOBO to liaison with Metroblue to have the data they need and then to develop the API to make it accessible. It is going to take time but it will come.

I suspect getting the data into an API would be easy compared to getting Metroblue to agree to allowing that data to be provided via a proper API

Just now, Matchstick said:

I suspect getting the data into an API would be easy compared to getting Metroblue to agree to allowing that data to be provided via a proper API

Personally, and I say this with absolutely no knowledge of how this all works: I think Asobo having WT make a new default Weather Radar's for each aircraft type with all the advanced functionality included is the way to go. PMDG./ FNX / FBW / Etc can then just copy / paste the gauge into their aircraft without needing any access or API whatsoever, because the entire radar is Asobo's.

I don't know what the future holds, but I don't fully understand why third party can implement 'nexrad' style feed right now (no tilts, just range).  That is available in the SDK and is often used real world.  At least it simulates 'something' on the display.  We could use this while a radar is fully developed over the next few years.  Unless it comes down to the stupid JAVA / WASM thing.

After watching 737NG Driver's video and seeing him perfectly illustrate exactly why the devs are not putting it in their planes i completely agree. If I'm flying at FL 360 and the events are at FL180 and what's in front of me is clear as day while the radar is showing red splotches all around then how useful is it apart from telling me stuff is happening below?

I  don't mind waiting for a proper radar but the inibuild version with its non functioning tilt at first look does not appear to be the answer. 

Asobo touched on this topic in the SDK Q&A session that just happened, watch here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1660848226?t=00h54m25s

Q: Will we ever see full WXR (weather radar) compatiblity in MSFS 2020? Why is there no answer to the weather API question and why is Asobo not providing what the entire community of users and developers are waiting for?
A: They are doing investigations on the both technical and legal aspects (presume that means discussions with Meteoblue). Hopefully they'll have more news in upcoming month.

 

Edited November 23, 20223 yr by lwt1971

On 11/22/2022 at 11:25 PM, Cognita said:

No, weather radar has not been implemented due to the limitations of accessing the necessary data from the simulator.

Many thanks for all the replies and discussion. Even though the WXR is not perfect in the sim, for me it does increase the immersion. To me it does at least get somewhat close to what you might see in a real world WXR display. I emphasize somewhat. I would encourage the developers to try and move forward with at least what we see on Asobo's display. In the case of the FBW A320, I feel they have got a very good working model. The airplane just works. And I'm sure that's the case for the other dev's. 

On 11/23/2022 at 7:09 PM, WestAir said:

Personally, and I say this with absolutely no knowledge of how this all works: I think Asobo having WT make a new default Weather Radar's for each aircraft type with all the advanced functionality included is the way to go. PMDG./ FNX / FBW / Etc can then just copy / paste the gauge into their aircraft without needing any access or API whatsoever, because the entire radar is Asobo's.

That's not gonna happen, you don't build a study level aircraft and then just drop in some default weather radar that looks like it comes out of a CJ4 or whatever. It has to look and work like the real one.