6 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I mean it’s literally the FOURTH post in this discussion. Why don’t you try READING it?!

I've seen the post - several of them

I'm asking where it was actually stated by Laminar

Edited December 1, 20223 yr by mSparks

1 minute ago, mSparks said:

I've seen the post

I'm asking where it was actually stated by Laminar

In the video. FIRST post. Main point of the thread. 

7 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

In the video. FIRST post. Main point of the thread. 

Except I've watched it twice and have seen no such promise. Hence asking for what the timestamp is that is being referred to.

Lets not lay the ground for "Laminar is flip flopping on providing satellite scenery" or "Laminar didn't deliver the satellite scenery they promised" by claiming "Laminar promised satellite scenery" when it was just a misquote/badly written summary.

Edited December 1, 20223 yr by mSparks

On 11/27/2022 at 8:43 PM, Baber20 said:

Ok a few takeaways

-dark cockpits are going away

-3d Rain shafts are coming

-3d volumetric low level fog is also on the way

-god rays planned

-wind and turbulence improvements coming

-weather engine will be open to 3rd party but there will be limit

-they are actively looking at satellite imagery streaming but not a top priority. They really want to improve ground scenery.

-Most of the team is fully focused on bug fixing right now for the 12.0 release specially the graphical bugs.

-They are actively hiring more people for scenery, networking, marketing etc.

 

 

 

i see that 330 on all their advertising still doesnt have a working FMGS

1 hour ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Me babbling about it?! Give your head a wobble lad, if anyone is babbling on about it, it is Mspark guy, hence the reason for my replies! So wind your neck back in please.

You are the one and the only one who called it a U turn. And started the usual nonsense “my sim is better “ word not allowed …

2 hours ago, Krakin said:

Meanwhile, XP12 clouds are a low rez mess 100% of the time

People like yourself make statements like this that do you no credit at all.  Clearly XP12 has a way to go, yet they are not 'a low rez mess 100% of the time'.  Try and be a little more balanced in your statements.   I like the clouds in MSFS - some truly fantastic skyscapes to be seen.  However, because there are sometimes 'ash' clouds to be seen, I don't feel the need to describe MSFS clouds as a mess.

XP12 clouds have made progress during the beta phase, but I would be the first to admit more needs to be done.  All that matters really is from a personal viewpoint, I am getting immense pleasure from XP12.  

2 hours ago, Baber20 said:

2 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

he just u-turned and said they were now looking in to it.

Can you give it a rest ? What even is your problem here ? As far as I can tell it is good news for Xplane 12 users but you seem to keep on babbling about U-turn. He made a correct albeit a late decision. Let it go for your own sanity.

I almost can't believe this is the same Ianrivaldosmith I was familiar on the MSFS forum.  Mostly balanced and helpful posts over there.  Austin often said he was more interested in flight modelling, but I guess as the staff number have risen at LR, there are more positive views towards ground scenery.

As you say, giving ground scenery some more focus is a good thing and a natural progression as XP12 develops.

15 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

People like yourself make statements like this that do you no credit at all

Yet you were Ray Charles to Baber's assertion that the entire cloud shading in MSFS is a fiasco? You'd say that statement did him no credit as well, right?

4 hours ago, filou said:

"I have sessions where MSFS lighting is more real"

Do not hesitate to share  with real weather of what MSFS2020 is capable in bad weather even in ultra setting and 4k.Bring me value.Surprise me!

Unless you've sat in the cockpit right next to me in the viscinity where I do my flying, you'll have nothing to compare. 

But I can show you this one. Final approach onto RWY 01 at my base airport. Bear in mind this image is 1 ½ year old now, since it was taken in MSFS in summer of 2021:

 

While in XP12 I see this (same time, same location)

Again @filou I have flown this approach hundreds and hundreds of times IRL. Water is def. not this color and hue with an overcast  during summer evenings. MSFS is doing a better job representing what I see IRL than XP12 in this scenario at this airport.
Does that mean MSFS will always look more "plasuible". No, of course not, but that POV has already been established by most of us in here.

I have no bias to MSFS. I registered my account at the .org in summer of 2004. I have stuck to XP through thick and thin, buying EVERY iteration since.

 But holy cow you need to be able to call a spade a spade sometimes.

Edited December 1, 20223 yr by SAS443

49 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Yet you were Ray Charles to Baber's assertion that the entire cloud shading in MSFS is a fiasco? You'd say that statement did him no credit as well, right?

I'll be absolutely blunt here and point out, no one has anything to be particularly "proud" of when it comes to clouds right now. Better than we had... hmm maybe... makes some nice sky boxes sure.... but in terms of real life, they all just about capture the sheer beauty of real clouds as level 6 orthophoto captures the beauty of the Queen Mary's Rose Gardens.

36 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

Water is def. not this color

I can see that just by looking at the XP photo, its not reflecting the cloud color at all. See above.

I'll be impressed when someone delivers a decent sim of something like

 

Edited December 1, 20223 yr by mSparks

37 minutes ago, Krakin said:

Baber's assertion that the entire cloud shading in MSFS is a fiasco

I don't remember reading that - could you link to it?

28 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I don't remember reading that - could you link to it?

 

2 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

As you say, giving ground scenery some more focus is a good thing and a natural progression as XP12 develops.

Of course it’s a brilliant thing, and I wasn’t even having a go. But the usual folk in this forum just get super defensive over anything they perceive as a threat. Then start bashing each sim against each other. 
 

My point merely was, Laminar said they would never use satellite scenery for to defects in it such as baked in clouds. Amongst other reasons. 
Now they’re saying they’re looking in to satellite streaming. I mean, to me that’s brilliant news, however the *simple* question still stands; why the u-turn!? And I’m not sure why people have to attack a simple question and start comparing sims. And clouds. And getting personal. Of course I’ll retort, I’m not gonna sit back and take it. 

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

Lets not lay the ground for "Laminar is flip flopping on providing satellite scenery" or "Laminar didn't deliver the satellite scenery they promised" by claiming "Laminar promised satellite scenery" when it was just a misquote/badly written summary.

No one is doing any of that. You get so convoluted over such basic things. We have a saying; make a mountain out of a molehill. You would have several mountains.  

4 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

3 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Of course it’s a brilliant thing, and I wasn’t even having a go. But the usual folk in this forum just get super defensive over anything they perceive as a threat. Then start bashing each sim against each other. 
 

My point merely was, Laminar said they would never use satellite scenery for to defects in it such as baked in clouds. Amongst other reasons. 
Now they’re saying they’re looking in to satellite streaming. I mean, to me that’s brilliant news, however the *simple* question still stands; why the u-turn!? And I’m not sure why people have to attack a simple question and start comparing sims. And clouds. And getting personal. Of course I’ll retort, I’m not gonna sit back and take it. 

I would imagine with all the new LR staff, the interest in an ortho solution has grown.  I personally wouldn’t have used the term u turn as that seems to have some negativity with it. I’m just happy LR is taking another look at it.