Depends on the season you fly in. But in mountainous areas the air is always more turbulent. I just spotted a video on YouTube that explains why commercial airliners avoid flying over Tibet and the Himalayan plateau. The mountains are so high that even at cruise level the turbulence is insane.

It's definitely overdone in some wind conditions.

Feels very good with a tube liner (i.e. heavy), feels great with GA in light (2-4 knots) winds, and nowhere near realistic in 10+ knots. Yesterday I had massive wind fluctuations and turbulence off a flat-calm sea in an area renowned for stable wind. Simply not realistic and I wish Asobo would give us the option to scale back the over-zealous (overzealous in high winds and light aircraft) nature of the winds. 

I wouldn't comment on the new behavior being more real or not, but I noticed it contributes to me becoming nauseous in a GA plane under VR. I never experienced this before SU11 (nor in a real GA plane).

Kind regards, Michael

I always wonder why we have so different experiences.

I do fly mountainous regions (India, Pakistan, Peru etc.) with light aircrat. These days the Cabri. 

I do not find these excessive turbulent conditions. If anything flying over ridges was more turbulent in the first months of this sim. I don’t experience strong up- or downdraft nor shaking. Actually the Cabri being fast out-of-breath higher up, I’d love that the updraft I see visualized could help more 😃 ! 

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7 hours ago, Beardyman said:

Is it just me or anyone else feels that after update 11 and new wind/drafts physics flying a small plane in mountain areas is simply horrible.

Plane is thrown all over the place, like paper kite, even engines at full power does not help much.

Have some mixed feeling about new physics implemented in MSFS...

I personally don't feel this way. As far as light GA aircraft everything seems ok in this department

5 hours ago, jwhak said:

Steve Fossett

The NTSB says the probable cause of the 2007 crash of adventurer Steve Fossett was an inadvertent encounter with downdrafts above mountainous terrain that exceeded the climb capability of the Bellanca Super Decathlon he was flying. Downdrafts, high-density altitude and mountainous terrain were all contributing factors.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/34392

 

 

 

Every two years when I renew my CFI I have to go over some of crash scenarios analysis. Good portion of them accident related mountain crossing such as Rockys and different circumstances (all weather related) . And we not talking about light GA airplane like King Air get swallowed by the mountains easily.

14 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Every two years when I renew my CFI I have to go over some of crash scenarios analysis. Good portion of them accident related mountain crossing such as Rockys and different circumstances (all weather related) . And we not talking about light GA airplane like King Air get swallowed by the mountains easily.

In your view how best could Steve Fossett have avoided the downdraft turb he encountered?  Fly at sunrise?  Or take a completely different route?

Maybe it is a matter of plane - i test new Wilga from GotFriends, and she seems to be very sensitive for any wind gusts

Sim Pilots v's Real pilots?

A tricky area since we don't know who is a real pilot. Some of those that claim to be real pilots are real pilots, some others that claim to be real pilots are not. Also, many simmers need their hobby validating by believing that real pilots are into simming, there is a need to believe. Consequently there is a certain amount of unconscious collusion going on that hides the truth.

Sorry to chuck that into the discussion but we are talking about the internet.

That aside: I like the effects in mountainous areas but I have no idea how realistic they are.

1 hour ago, Beardyman said:

Maybe it is a matter of plane - i test new Wilga from GotFriends, and she seems to be very sensitive for any wind gusts

oh yes, this is most certainly a major  factor.

But I suspect there are other factors which explain the difference of experiences. Like :

- the possible heterogeneity in weather data quality from area to area ?  

- the ratio between the capability of a computer and the settings selected by the simmer  ? 

7 hours ago, Farlis said:

Depends on the season you fly in. But in mountainous areas the air is always more turbulent. I just spotted a video on YouTube that explains why commercial airliners avoid flying over Tibet and the Himalayan plateau. The mountains are so high that even at cruise level the turbulence is insane.

I’m flying VIDP-VQPR right now and my route skirts the southern edge of the Himalayas…got knocked around pretty good even in an A320, if was a cool experience.

4 hours ago, Mace said:

In your view how best could Steve Fossett have avoided the downdraft turb he encountered?  Fly at sunrise?  Or take a completely different route?

It's been a while since I read NTSB report . But yeah canyons often create venturi effect and if one found themselves on "leeward side of mountain" trying to get out, they  boxed in without choice of 45 degrees offset. I think that what happened to Fossett

3 hours ago, GaryK said:

Sim Pilots v's Real pilots?

A tricky area since we don't know who is a real pilot. Some of those that claim to be real pilots are real pilots, some others that claim to be real pilots are not. Also, many simmers need their hobby validating by believing that real pilots are into simming, there is a need to believe. Consequently there is a certain amount of unconscious collusion going on that hides the truth.

Sorry to chuck that into the discussion but we are talking about the internet.

That aside: I like the effects in mountainous areas but I have no idea how realistic they are.

It's actually not hard to find an imposter . I mean person can be a knolwgable  but nothing can substitute stick and rudder experience.

18 hours ago, Beardyman said:

Is it just me or anyone else feels that after update 11 and new wind/drafts physics flying a small plane in mountain areas is simply horrible.

Plane is thrown all over the place, like paper kite, even engines at full power does not help much.

 

I have a motion platform, and on some occasions over the mountains in a helicopter, I had to use the emergency cutoff as the motion became quite violent at times. Having said that, I still like it a lot but wish it could be toned down just slightly. 

11 hours ago, Beardyman said:

Maybe it is a matter of plane - i test new Wilga from GotFriends, and she seems to be very sensitive for any wind gusts

It's a matter of weight.

My reference point is light aircraft I have flown (as passenger) vs the same regions in the simulator in similar conditions (I live in a windy part of the world). What happens in the sim is not at all what happens in real life – and specifically not at all when the wind speed exceeds 10 knots.