So... was that the 'Level-D' @blingthingerwas talking about? Although all the info was given I am not bothered enough and to lazy to investigate. It does look like a expensive piece of machinery but not exactly Level-D as such.

Edited May 10, 20233 yr by Gerwil

3 hours ago, Gerwil said:

So... was that the 'Level-D' @blingthingerwas talking about? Although all the info was given I am not bothered enough and to lazy to investigate. It does look like a expensive piece of machinery but not exactly Level-D as such.

I gather that an effort was underway to combine a Level D simulator with an XPlane driven scenery engine.

From there, the discussion went into a downwards spiral.. 😉

26 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I gather that an effort was underway to combine a Level D simulator with an XPlane driven scenery engine.

From there, the discussion went into a downwards spiral.. 😉

I'm unaware of any level D manufacturer that intends to use a video game in their devices.  😉. Pretty sure what we saw here was the other poster's confusion about the different levels of training devices, that's all.  

Here's a great (and civil) discussion regarding Level D flight simulators and the software/hardware they use.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/45098/what-simulation-software-do-airlines-use

I personally learned a lot about Level D sims by reading it.

7 hours ago, blingthinger said:

Actually, thread OP diverted it with the false declaration that fs2020 is the "world's most advanced consumer IFR sim."

Sigh. This is not what I said. Here is my quote exactly, in its original form, for those who didn't read it originally:

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I think by AAU3 or AAU4, MSFS will have taken a clear lead on being the best flight simulator for IFR.

If you break down my original quote:

1. Nowhere did I say MSFS is currently the most advanced consumer home use IFR flight simulator. There is a difference between "is" and "will have taken."

2. I said by AAU3 and AAU4. This implies the future.  This current avionics update is AAU2, which is part of the title of this thread. I was even careful enough to say "or AAU4" and AAU4 can be some time away.

Please don't twist my words. Thank you.

@Ray Proudfoot Sorry for having to post this. I didn't want to enter another spat with blingthinger after your warning. I want to clarify what I originally said, which is not what blingthinger is claiming.

Edited May 10, 20233 yr by abrams_tank

I hope we can just leave the Level-D thing now and get back on thread.

As for the AAU beta, what was the date of release?  Was it listed anywhere?  I seem to have next Tuesday the 16th in mind but I don't know where I got it from.

It's the perennial problem with internet forums that behind a keyboard, anyone is an expert. 

They'll no doubt have an interest in the topic at hand, and will  have spent time reading about it on other forums, not realizing that the things they learn are from other keyboard warriors who have no more knowledge than they do. 

Thus you get statements of fact about which has the better flight model, which is level D capable etc....

I once asked Blingthinger about his experience in the industry, and without him saying so got the strong impression that he'd never flown even a small aircraft, let alone flown a 'level-D' simulator. That's who you're arguing with. It's futile. It's like playing chess with a pigeon - at some point they'll knock over the pieces and poo on the board.

Anyone who actually has flown a level-D sim (pilots never actually call them that by the way - I've never ever heard that terminology used outside of the sim community) would instantly realise that any talk of 'level-D capable graphics' is hilarious nonsense. I still fly 'level-D' sims that make Flight Simulator 2004 looks positively space-age. It's all just nonsense spouted by people who think that chatting on internet forums makes you some kind of expert. A desktop sim being 'Level-D capable' means absolutely nothing whatsoever. It's like arguing a nut and bolt is level-D capable because they're installed in a sim. It's just a nut and bolt. That's got nothing to do with anything. I sincerely hope MSFS never 'chase' that 'approval' because it's a complete waste of time, other than giving the keyboard warriors something they think matters in the slightest.

 

 

Edited May 10, 20233 yr by 2reds2whites

What does the "D" stand for? Is there a level F sim? Or an A? And I'll tell you what! If XP graphics are used in these sims then the original graphics must have been truly dreadful! I wonder if they also buy the OrbX  orthos?🤣

Edited May 10, 20233 yr by jarmstro

3 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

I hope we can just leave the Level-D thing now and get back on thread.

As for the AAU beta, what was the date of release?  Was it listed anywhere?  I seem to have next Tuesday the 16th in mind but I don't know where I got it from.

In the Dev Q&A they said it's probably coming on May 15th, see here in the transcript: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/may-2023-developer-stream/591452#when-is-the-beta-for-aircraft-and-avionics-update-2-31

Btw, it appears the made quite an effort with the transcript... really well edited, formatted and indexed, easy to find specific points and link them directly.

14 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

What does the "D" stand for? Is there a level F sim? Or an A?🤣

"There are currently four levels of full flight simulator, levels A through D, with level D being the highest standard and being eligible for zero flight time (ZFT) training of civil pilots when converting from one airliner type to another." (from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_flight_simulator )

It's really not that hard to find an answer to your question.

Edit: Can we just move on from the whole Level D sim discussion, pretty please?

Edited May 10, 20233 yr by pstrub

3 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

I hope we can just leave the Level-D thing now and get back on thread.

As for the AAU beta, what was the date of release?  Was it listed anywhere?  I seem to have next Tuesday the 16th in mind but I don't know where I got it from.

15th May - was said in the Q&A. Might get delayed but who knows!

1 hour ago, 2reds2whites said:

It's like playing chess with a pigeon - at some point they'll knock over the pieces and poo on the board.

You friend just won the Internet today!

1 hour ago, 2reds2whites said:

It's like playing chess with a pigeon - at some point they'll knock over the pieces and poo on the board.

... and proudly declare victory!

That's the part you forgot 😂

As discussions on the original topic has ended I’m locking it.