This is awesome news, the 787, 747 and 777 are among my favorite airliners!!!

7 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

The premium deluxe version is looking to be of greater and greater value as time progresses, not to mention also the associated discounts that come with it now for certain for-pay add-ons.
 

Yup. This. 

I remember all the derision from folks who didn't want to spend the money. Well, look who's laughing now.😁

7 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

The WT team have been busy answering all kinds of questions on their discord (and still are)... some raw copy/paste of quotes from the WT team:

Rob (kaosfere) [Z-5] — Today at 14:44
Don't give up hope on the G3X.   I'll say no more, but I will say that 🙂

 

Wow, that is a big hint 😄

If I am guessing, fixes to the G3X in AAU3 or AAU4.

4 hours ago, DaWu said:

And it takes pmdg 8 months and counting to add an EFB. Using pmdg as a Benchmark is ridiculous

This is at PMDG since i begin with Flightsim at the year 2000 and probably never change..

cheers 😉

6 hours ago, Gilandred said:

I don’t recall QW being quite at the level of PMDG in P3D, so maybe a necessity to step up their game if they have any MSFS plans.

Somebody who claimed to be a tester for Quality Wings in the Reddit forums, claimed that Quality Wings hadn't contacted them for 2 years now:

Not a good sign if you are waiting for a QW product in MSFS, IMO. In any case, I agree with you, that this AAU2 and the upgrades to the 787 put QW in a bind. QW needs to make their 787 even better for MSFS and more high fidelity.

The sad thing is, QW had a nice market to release the 787 before this AAU2 announcement. The MSFS market was hungry for a reasonable fidelity 787.  The default 787 that came with the Premium Deluxe was just not good enough.  QW would have made some decent sales, IMO, had they released their 787 before this AAU2 announcement.

But like I said in the original post, you snooze, you lose.  AAU2 does not help QW at all.  If QW is only half done their 787, it might even make their 787 unprofitable if they continue work on it until it is released.

I even think the upgrades to the 747 may also impact the sales of PMDG's 747. Having said that, PMDG's 747 will probably be much more high fidelity so they may be able to make a profit still. However, AAU2 is not good news for PMDG, of course.

2 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

 However, AAU2 is not good news for PMDG, of course.

But for us users it is and that's the point IMO !

cheers 😉

25 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

I even think the upgrades to the 747 may also impact the sales of PMDG's 747. Having said that, PMDG's 747 will probably be much more high fidelity so they may be able to make a profit still. However, AAU2 is not good news for PMDG, of course.

I'm personally done with PMDG as soon as the 777 is out and totally not interested in the 747. I really wish they went for the 767 or 787 instead of 747, especially if the AAU is really good and give Salty even more opportunities to make it even better. 

7 minutes ago, Drumcode said:

I'm personally done with PMDG as soon as the 777 is out and totally not interested in the 747. I really wish they went for the 767 or 787 instead of 747, especially if the AAU is really good and give Salty even more opportunities to make it even better. 

I'm pretty sure PMDG will prioritize the 747 after the 777, especially with this AAU2 release.  The reason is, much of the source code for the 747 for P3D is already done, they just need to port it over to MSFS. And the faster PMDG ports over the 747 to MSFS, the better for them, because as you mentioned, the Salty team may keep improving the 747 even further, especially after AAU2.  There is a market for a high fidelity (study level?) 747 in MSFS but as each day passes and the 747 gets better in MSFS, that market will keep shrinking for PMDG.

Anyways, this is what Randazzo is possibly thinking. Of course for us simmers, it would be better if PMDG worked on other planes like the 767, because there isn't a 767 in MSFS yet.  But Randazzo is primarily concerned with making money so I am pretty sure Randazzo will focus on the 747 after the 777 is released.

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by abrams_tank

LOL PMDG is not shaking in their boots over this announcement, enough of the  nonsense. They have a following of simmers for over 20+ years who is religious of their products. People will flock to buy their 777/747 or whatever they release in MSFS so Just chill its great that WT will beef up the default Boeing's so the casuals will have more depth (that will not buy payware) though but lets not think it will kill off the likes of PMDG anytime soon. Sales will slow (Mainly on MP and XBOX) mostly due to their price structure.

I'm personally looking for the 787 update and see how it goes, hey I may even upgrade from Standard to Premium Deluxe if its decent.

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by jbdbow1970
correction

39 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

LOL PMDG is not shaking in their boots over this announcement, enough of the  nonsense. They have a following of simmers for over 20+ years who is religious of their products. People will flock to buy their 777/747 or whatever they release in MSFS so Just chill its great that WT will beef up the default Boeing's so the casuals will have more depth (that will not buy payware) though but lets not think it will kill off the likes of PMDG anytime soon. Sales will slow (Mainly on MP and XBOX) mostly due to their price structure.

I'm personally looking for the 787 update and see how it goes, hey I may even upgrade from Standard to Premium Deluxe if its decent.

Nobody said PMDG is going out of business.  And it's not just entirely "casual" vs "hard core" PMDG customers.  There are shades of grey in between. For example, I am probably one of the customers in between "casual" to "hard core." I own the PMDG 737-800. I will probably never know the 737 inside and out, like some do here on Avsim. But even when the PMDG 737-600 came out, I opted not to buy it, despite the fact that it was half the price of the 800. I bought the PMDG 737-800 because aside from the Bredok 737, there was no other 737 for MSFS.  But even though I am not a "hard core" 737 flier, I do want more realistic systems and more realistic flight modeling, so I didn't want the Bredok 737.

For the A320, I did not buy the Fenix A320, because of the FBW A320.  If there wasn't the FBW A320, and it was only the default A320 for MSFS, I might have considered buying the Fenix A320, especially because the Fenix A320's price was reasonable for such a high fidelity airlienr.  In a nutshell, customers like me opted not to buy the Fenix A320 because of the existence of the FBW A320.

You can't discount customers in between "casual" and "hard core" that would have bought a PMDG 747, but are now content with the default 747 because of Working Title's work on it. There are a lot of us out there, and if the price is reasonable, we will buy the Fenix A320 or PMDG 737/777/747. But if there is a free version of it, and the free version is of a reasonable fidelity, that's potentially lost sales.

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by abrams_tank

I really won't be bothered about the Quality Wings 787 (if it is actually in the pipeline). 

We live in the past too much sometimes and expect it to be replicated into the future.  Times change.
QW weren't bothered about MSFS at startup two and a half years ago, and so they will miss the boat.  

Knowing the quality of the Working Title team, I expect their work on the 787 will satisfy 99.5% of people (you will never satisfy all as we know), and all of the work done on the 787-10 could possibly be pulled into the excellent 787-8 mod on FS.to.  I expect the Heavy Division mod will not be needed eventually, and the QW 787 will also become irrelevant then.

Edit:  Here is a link to the excellent 787-8 mod, which is a beauty but doesn't seem to get much publicity.  It would be great if the new WT systems could be used by this.
I love the short version - cute isn't it!    

https://flightsim.to/file/45062/boeing-787-8

 

Edited May 4, 20233 yr by bobcat999

as far as I can make out - most of  the foregoing was about QW and the 787 - but no one seems to have mentioned

- Just flight - who firstly started a P3D version of the 747 ages ago - and then switched their efforts to one for MSFS

recently ---- Have they also missed the boat.?

Personally - I hope they do go ahead - because their version is the original 747 - or close to it - the 747-200 which is 

more to my want - having flown in that bird for 1000s of miles in the 70s - and as mostly steam cockpits and flight

engineers - and they will get my money.

The ethos MS is operating with is good. This is going to push more devs to put more work into the planes they make so they can be set apart.

Whats AAU2?

5 minutes ago, BIGSKY said:

Whats AAU2?

"Aircraft and Avionics Update"