It’s the feeling of flight what XP gives us, yesterday I was practicing landing the PMDG 737 in fs2020 and I did the same approach in the Zibo 737…quite a few times in each sim….to me the feeling of the aircraft in Xplane is significantly better bigtime….it really is, touching down, braking….everything. I like fs2020, I have most of all the high fidelity planes but I’m flying XP more and more these days because of that ‘feeling’ of flight. Love XP!

36 minutes ago, tull said:

to me the feeling of the aircraft in Xplane is significantly better bigtime

interesting. can you describe more precisely what you mean by "significantly better"?

I can’t explain it…pulling on that yoke, rudder control just feeel better…can’t put my finger on it and I’m not a real world pilot either…it’s a funny to do…can’t weigh it up as us brits say!

6 hours ago, tull said:

can’t weigh it up as us brits say!

whatever floats your boat, as we captains say.

18 hours ago, Pe11e said:

In MSFS, displays and gauges work at 18fps or so, even on high setting.

This is a FSX leftover, which back in the day created lots of smoothing issues with custom XML gauges to drive animations or PID controllers. Color me very surprised that this is still in MSFS!

 

P.S:

10. Very open ecosystem with tremendous potential for modifications.

11. Multiplatform. One license, all three major operating systems.

12. Straight to the point, basically "download and go". No accounts, no social hub, no integrated stores, no launchers.

20 hours ago, Pe11e said:

7. VR performance. It's up to debate, but for me XP VR performance when using SteamVR is closer to AeroflyFS2/4, really smooth. MSFS not so much, but when using Virtual Desktop it's closer. Still a bit jittery though. Usage of hand controllers is much much better than in MSFS.

I cant speak for others, but really the relatively successful move to VR is the one and only reason I've stuck around flight sim at all. Without it I would have gotten bored and moved on a very long time ago. 

23 minutes ago, mSparks said:

but really the relatively successful move to VR is the one and only reason I've stuck around flight sim at all.

same for me. without VR, I would probably have to start cockpit building, which I never really seriously wanted to. and via VR in flight simulation, I got interested in a few more VR games, which I would otherwise never have been interested. (Cyberpunk, Witcher etc.)

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12 hours ago, turbomax said:

interesting. can you describe more precisely what you mean by "significantly better"?

I am 99% using MSFS at the moment, but I can still say I think the feeling of flight in XP12 has the edge.  XP12 was the first sim I learned to fly helicopters, but I was quite disapponted with how helicopters in MSFs feel.

11 hours ago, tull said:

I can’t explain it…pulling on that yoke, rudder control just feeel better…can’t put my finger on it and I’m not a real world pilot either…it’s a funny to do…can’t weigh it up as us brits say!

I can. Weight and inertia. 🙂 Simple as that. Both are not felt in MSFS. Flying 737 feels the same as flying C172, if you exclude different aileron and elevator effectiveness.
 

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

I cant speak for others, but really the relatively successful move to VR is the one and only reason I've stuck around flight sim at all. Without it I would have gotten bored and moved on a very long time ago. 

Same. Flying in 2D looks and feel like watching a flight sim promo video on a TV. 

I haven't been able to put down XP12 for over a week now. I used to fly MSFS 99% of the time... I still fool around in P3D v6 too, but XP is more and more appealing to me. I seriously can't stand flying at night in MSFS, and XP's night flying is magic. The airports are alive. Everything is just... more interesting. Terrain? Well, I use XP for airliners, so there's limited concern on that. But everything feels a bit more real. 

Here's a question though... for all those of you who have been XP users for a long time... How come LR still doesn't include anything above I think 73 degrees North and a certain point South? It's really the only simulator that doesn't have the complete planet available - even P3D has those places. I think at some point soon I may splurge on HSimulations' Grand Arctic, Grand Antarctica, and Russia Xtreme North just so that I have the whole globe. 

3 hours ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

Here's a question though... for all those of you who have been XP users for a long time... How come LR still doesn't include anything above I think 73 degrees North and a certain point South? It's really the only simulator that doesn't have the complete planet available - even P3D has those places. I think at some point soon I may splurge on HSimulations' Grand Arctic, Grand Antarctica, and Russia Xtreme North just so that I have the whole globe. 

Since the world in X-Plane is sliced vertically into quadrants, the slices get weirder and weirder (more like triangles) the more south/north you go. There are plans to change that some day.

Even though MSFS is a really succesful platform, I feel like we're really spoiled by the aircraft available in X-Plane. Toliss, Aerobask, X-Crafts, Zibo to name a few. There's only a few planes that are worth in MSFS, and even those are lacking in some areas. Which is odd.

54 minutes ago, bogdansrb said:

Even though MSFS is a really succesful platform, I feel like we're really spoiled by the aircraft available in X-Plane. Toliss, Aerobask, X-Crafts, Zibo to name a few. There's only a few planes that are worth in MSFS, and even those are lacking in some areas. Which is odd.

Give it time. MSFS is still somewhat a baby in the scheme of things and hasn't been around that long in comparison to X-Plane and the older MFS/P3D sims. The products will continue to mature and with more competition the aircraft devs will need to step up their game

for others, the selection of aircraft in MSFS is more than enough and the fact that many users struggle with what is already available (not reading or understanding manuals of thousands of pages per aircraft, same for complex avionics and the approaches they allow), correct turbine prop handling, adjusting for altitude etc. confirms that to fly properly and not just to jump in and off we go type gaming, takes ever more time. but our available time unfortunately does not increase, in other words: the more aircraft we have, the less time we spend on each, the more superficial it gets. no real pilot gets to choose from 20 or more aircraft, let alone is type rated on all of them. if /when something new arrives on the market, I will think twice if I will really have enough time for it and if it really is considerably better than what I have already. only then will I purchase more.