Just now, jarmstro said:

Name me one that is more dissapointing.

Tell us exactly, what you think wrong with, not just some ridiculous statement. 

1 hour ago, GoranM said:

You choose to believe the MSFS market is 1000x bigger than P3D?  You choose to believe P3D has a userbase of 10 000 people?

You continue to make beginners errors: you should know that the market size does not correlate with userbase size.

Especially for P3D where large portions of the user base can't be considered as market by PMDG.

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

Tell us exactly, what you think wrong with, not just some ridiculous statement. 

No. You know full well what I mean Bob.

33 minutes ago, simbol said:

but that is irrelevant on the argument being presented on this topic

Actually it is highly relevant because PMDG did exactly talk about that (talk about market size rather than userbase size). Only Goran thinks these two things are the same.

4 hours ago, simbol said:

Best,
Raul 
 

 

 

 

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One of the most moving posts that i have seen on this forum.

I try not to wade into these types of threads nowadays but i had to comment and thank you for sharing your personal experience.

Thank you for sharing and thank you for doing what you do to move this community forward.

 

 

Back to "topic" i guess ?

Edited November 20, 20232 yr by Maxis

1 hour ago, simbol said:

In passing, I haven't said anything about the market size, is not my place.. only Microsoft can know it, even when I sell add-ons on P3D and MSFS and I have hard numbers on sales in my hands, is impossible for me to say what is the real size of the market since from the add-ons I do sell, I would be seeing only a small proportion of it.. what I can say is, I do sell much more in MSFS vs P3D.. but that is irrelevant on the argument being presented on this topic, or for any user indeed, people should just enjoy the platform they like the most and just be happy they have things to choose from..

Best,
Raul

Hey Simbol, I have 2 questions. If you can answer either of them great, but if you don't want to answer the questions because you don't want to give away confidential information about your business, then I understand too.  I am just looking for some insight on the MSFS market.  The 2 questions are:

1) When you are saying you "sell much more in MSFS vs P3D," do you mean your peak MSFS sales vs peak P3D sales, or do you mean MSFS sales now vs P3D sales now? And if you don't mind disclosing, if you meant peak MSFS sales vs peak P3D sales, roughly how much more sales do you get with peak MSFS sales versus peak P3D sales? ie. 2x, 3x, 10x, etc

2) Your products have sold in the XBox marketplace, right?  Roughly what percentage of your sales come from the XBox marketplace? Is there even a breakdown of the PC vs XBox sales that the MSFS team gives you?

Again, I understand if you don't want to answer either of these 2 questions because it gives away private/confidential information about your business. It's just that I don't recall any other 3rd party plane developer mentioning what percentage of their sales are coming from PC vs XBox and this is something interesting to me, especially in light of what Randazzo has said.

Edited November 20, 20232 yr by abrams_tank

20 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

The shortcomings are 1) It doesn't communicate with the FMC. 2) It doesn't have any way to set weights etc and send them to the the FMC. 3) It can't send a flight plan to the FMC. 4) There's no way to set options. In other words, it's rubbish.

So once again I ask. Why should I listen to anything they say?

It definitely does send flight plans to the FMC. The other three things it does not do (yet). It’s only “rubbish” if having the ability to set weights via the EFB is of paramount importance (to you). I do weights and fuel loading via the FMC the way I always have. The true “EFB” functions - Navigraph charts, moving map and takeoff performance calculations work very well.

Regarding whether the MSFS marketplace is literally 1000x the market of other sims: Let's keep in mind that Asobo is so overwhelmed with new add-on products and new developers for MSFS that the weekly Asobo Development Update now contains a huge section devoted entirely to enumerating the Backlog of MSFS products. In other words, growth of the MSFS marketplace is skyrocketing so rapidly that Asobo can't even keep up with listing these thousands of new products for sale! If each one of these released and backlogged products sold even a handful of copies, that alone would eclipse the sales numbers of XP and P3D add-ons by literally 1000x if only because there are literally 1000x more new products for MSFS.

3 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

It definitely does send flight plans to the FMC.

How? I'd be grateful if you could tell me how? Do I still have to enter weights etc into the FMC? Can I dismiss the external power and chocks from the EFB?

Edited November 20, 20232 yr by jarmstro

40 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Hey Simbol, I have 2 questions. If you can answer either of them great, but if you don't want to answer the questions because you don't want to give away confidential information about your business, then I understand too.  I am just looking for some insight on the MSFS market.  The 2 questions are:

1) When you are saying you "sell much more in MSFS vs P3D," do you mean your peak MSFS sales vs peak P3D sales, or do you mean MSFS sales now vs P3D sales now? And if you don't mind disclosing, if you meant peak MSFS sales vs peak P3D sales, roughly how much more sales do you get with peak MSFS sales versus peak P3D sales? ie. 2x, 3x, 10x, etc

2) Your products have sold in the XBox marketplace, right?  Roughly what percentage of your sales come from the XBox marketplace? Is there even a breakdown of the PC vs XBox sales that the MSFS team gives you?

Again, I understand if you don't want to answer either of these 2 questions because it gives away private/confidential information about your business. It's just that I don't recall any other 3rd party plane developer mentioning what percentage of their sales are coming from PC vs XBox and this is something interesting to me, especially in light of what Randazzo has said.

I feel this would not help the topic really, despite my sales being like nothing I seen before since I started this journey back in 2017, I am unable to know full market sizes in MSFS, I would only see a fraction of the market surely, I don't see my products as something that everybody would buy.. it doesn't work like that. I advise people to wait for meaningful surveys, independent and not biased.

And I also feel somewhat we losing track during the exchange of some ideas here, some developers like to do things for passion, not just money, the incentive sometimes is different, it could be just to share your projects, it could the way you like to develop, it could be the way you might like how a particular platform work, you guys cannot force any 3rd party to develop in a particular way or another or for a platform you would rather prefer, everyone is different, for some developers having just enough to live and do a project the way they like it could be enough and we should be open to understand this and avoid forcing our opinions and ideas to them, being a developer sometimes is about being creative, and artist, you don't force an artist to do the art you like... hope you get my meaning..

Personally, I have a full time job + MSFS stuff, for me is about being able to fulfil dreams and share those with you guys, if I get income for it, well great, it helps my family and perhaps one day I could do this full time, it would be lovely since I just adore doing aircraft for simulators and the big boom of MSFS is making this possible, but it seem with each new product I am able to release for MSFS, it looks like it could become a reality where some day I could leave my daily job to do this full time indeed.. 

Best,
R.
 

Edited November 20, 20232 yr by simbol

10 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

How? I'd be grateful if you could tell me how? Do I still have to enter weights etc into the FMC? Can I dismiss the external power and chocks from the EFB?

Use Simbrief , and the Simbrief downloader. It is so simple

51 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I suspect that he is probably having a problem learning the technology for developing for MSFS, so his only hope is that users will stop abandoning XPlane, so he will have some customers left to buy his products. He sees his base of potential  customers, sinking into the sunset. 😁

You may like his words more or less but don't forget that he is one of the most talented developers in our hobby, very few addons can come close to his challenguer 650, I doubt they would have trouble adapting to MFS if they wanted to.

8 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Use Simbrief , and the Simbrief downloader. It is so simple

You don’t need simbrief downloader anymore.  Enter your starting airport ICAO code in the FMC, then flight plan request, and it will show you all the flights from simbrief.  Select the one you want and it will dump the plan into your FMC route.  But first, make sure you load the plan into the EFB first.  That functions the same way as the downloader used to do.

Edited November 20, 20232 yr by Gilandred

Gentlemen please take the PMDG EFB discussion to the PMDG EFB thread

2 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

You may like his words more or less but don't forget that he is one of the most talented developers in our hobby, very few addons can come close to his challenguer 650, I doubt they would have trouble adapting to MFS if they wanted to.

That may well be, but then he needs to focus on developing addons for X-Plane and stop shooting himself in the foot from a public relations standpoint. He's doing exactly the opposite of what you should do to win people over to your viewpoint. 

If he doesn't want to develop for MSFS, that's completely understandable. What's less understandable is why he feels the need to spend time in the MSFS forum at all. 

I have a side-hobby of making and occasionally selling things that I build out of wood. I deliberately chose not to make anything out of metal because I don't want to have to invest in the necessary equipment.

I don't march down to the ironworks and tell all their customers how much metal sucks and how really wood is better for everything. They'd throw me out, as they should, for being so boorish. It was my choice not to make things out of metal, and that does not mean metal is inferior. It would be the height of asininity for me to claim it was simply because it's not the medium I, personally, "develop" for. The mind boggles as to why it's viewed as OK to behave like that here.