Also waiting for the PC-12 to be fixed before I buy another SWS plane. I would have thought that the rudder / aileron interlink would made it easier to fly coordinated but SWS went the other way.😟

5 minutes ago, Flic1 said:

They need to toss that dude.  He is not good for their business.  It turns out the entire time he was telling everyone on Discord that the airplane was fine and it was 'user error' he did not even have a computer to use or test the plane on. Ridiculous....

I swear that guy is not a real pilot.   Can't prove it, but you know when you just know?

SWS released one update on the PC-12 so far, which was said to improve the flight model.  The issue (at least in my experience) got worse after that update.   I kept the original EXE and the odd times I do fancy battling with the PC-12, I use that version.

I personally think the "waiting for SU15" thing is a cop out in this case.  The FDE is so disastrously bad, I can't see SU15 changing anything major with the flight dynamics.  Being in the SU15 beta, and us supposedly being close to the end of it's beta period.

I'm being harsh perhaps, but the PC-12 wasn't a $10 plane, and I consider the FDE issue a showstopper that prevents it being used, as even a reasonably convincing aircraft. 

I'm glad I asked now...it was actually next on my list of airplanes to buy (keyword "was"). Gonna hold off for a bit first, to see how things might improve for it after SU15.

I honestly have no problems landing this aircraft. Perfect take-off and landing today. Perfect landing on 14kts gusting over 20 crosswind a couple of weeks ago. My solution - following the manual advice and faqs from SWS, and lots and lots and lots of practice (I have over 75 hours on the hobbs right now). I can't tell you how many circuits I've flown in this.

I think there is a fundamental difference in what people want from an add-on aircraft. Some want systems depth and failures. Some, like me, want an aircraft to fly as close to the real thing as possible. If you want to "fly on rails", you should not buy this product. If you like your flying skills to be challenged and the satisfaction of proficiency with hard work, this is the PERFECT aircraft for you.

5 minutes ago, ritz55 said:

If you want to "fly on rails", you should not buy this product. If you like your flying skills to be challenged and the satisfaction of proficiency with hard work, this is the PERFECT aircraft for you.

No. No. Not at all. Have you flown airplanes in real life? The flight model on this plane is an absolute disaster. I've never flown a PC-12 before, but I have flown other planes and there is something really off about this flight model on approach. It's like trying to balance an elephant on 2" steel ball. 

2 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

No. No. Not at all. Have you flown airplanes in real life? The flight model on this plane is an absolute disaster. I've never flown a PC-12 before, but I have flown other planes and there is something really off about this flight model on approach. It's like trying to balance an elephant on 2" steel ball. 

Yes, I have flown planes before. It's interesting to me that you're saying it doesn't fly right at all with 0 hours of flight time, while PC-12 pilots say that it is ok. Or maybe your profile picture shows your idea of real flight dynamics.

If you want some more context into my above post, please see a discussion I had with the devs on discord: https://discord.com/channels/531808796822208512/1206068769211031643

1 minute ago, ritz55 said:

Yes, I have flown planes before. It's interesting to me that you're saying it doesn't fly right at all with 0 hours of flight time, while PC-12 pilots say that it is ok. Or maybe your profile picture shows your idea of real flight dynamics.

I've read that some PC12 pilots say its not okay.

The problem is though, that many of our "flight controls" don't have the amount of travel the real PC12 yoke/pedals have.  Then you have curves for the peripherals... I never touch those..  devs should always start designing with default curves in mind.

What sort of controls do you have?  I don't have the high end yoke or pedals... just a classic Microsoft ffb2 stick with saitek combat pedals.  They're a little noisy but they tend to work well.  On the beech I fly irl, the rigging isn't quite perfect, so there can be little yaw moments as you work the controls down final in a stiff crosswind.  I find that realistic but what I experience in the PC12 is nothing like that....  it's more like what Bdub described.  I'm talking a small crosswind here... like 10 knot direct in the sim.  If you have an even higher crosswind the PC12 is like a bucking bronco.

5 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

I've read that some PC12 pilots say its not okay.

The problem is though, that many of our "flight controls" don't have the amount of travel the real PC12 yoke/pedals have.  Then you have curves for the peripherals... I never touch those..  devs should always start designing with default curves in mind.

What sort of controls do you have?  I don't have the high end yoke or pedals... just a classic Microsoft ffb2 stick with saitek combat pedals.  They're a little noisy but they tend to work well.  On the beech I fly irl, the rigging isn't quite perfect, so there can be little yaw moments as you work the controls down final in a stiff crosswind.  I find that realistic but what I experience in the PC12 is nothing like that....  it's more like what Bdub described.  I'm talking a small crosswind here... like 10 knot direct in the sim.  If you have an even higher crosswind the PC12 is like a bucking bronco.

I have a very old CH yoke, pedals and throttle quadrant with default curves. They advise not to go past flaps 15 on high crosswind. And correct trim is extremely important.

Edited April 6, 20242 yr by ritz55

Are there any YT videos that demonstrate a proper heavy crosswind approach and landing in the SWS airplane by chance?

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

I've read that some PC12 pilots say its not okay.

The problem is though, that many of our "flight controls" don't have the amount of travel the real PC12 yoke/pedals have.  Then you have curves for the peripherals... I never touch those..  devs should always start designing with default curves in mind.

 

I think some developers count on the sim pilot to tweak the curves and settings to get the aircraft to fly reasonably well. I noticed when the Fenix came out, they had settings for the elevator and aileron and rudder, with another setting to make controls feel heavier.  After all this, the ground handling is not good, and the skateboard effect on takeoff is a PIA. Now I get in the PMDG 737,, no curves, no bizarre adjustments, all sensitivity curves at zero, and it flies and tracks great. 

Edited April 6, 20242 yr by Bobsk8

2 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

I've read that some PC12 pilots say its not okay.

Yea, I've just seen Gene Stuart's YT channel. interesting, 

This looks the same as the Kodiak 100. What is the difference? Is it going to be a substantial enough change to warrant owning both? 

First they need to fix the Kodiak 100 tho. It's FDE is broken. 

22 minutes ago, s0cks said:

This looks the same as the Kodiak 100. What is the difference? Is it going to be a substantial enough change to warrant owning both? 

First they need to fix the Kodiak 100 tho. It's FDE is broken. 

I'm with you. I bought their Kodiak when it came out and their lack of updates for it have really turned me off to them completely. I don't feel like giving them any more of my money. 

22 minutes ago, s0cks said:

This looks the same as the Kodiak 100. What is the difference? Is it going to be a substantial enough change to warrant owning both? 

First they need to fix the Kodiak 100 tho. It's FDE is broken. 

Speed.  The 900 is a bit quicker.  210 ktas compared to the 174 of tht Kodiak 100.