3 hours ago, ritz55 said:

Yes, I have flown planes before. It's interesting to me that you're saying it doesn't fly right at all with 0 hours of flight time, while PC-12 pilots say that it is ok. Or maybe your profile picture shows your idea of real flight dynamics.

It’s actually an opposite ! People who flown PC-12 pointed on FM problems - especially yaw during approach to landing. By the way developers acknowledged it already.

Yes  you can fly SWS PC-12 like that but it doesn’t mean it reflect real life . 
 

P.S. Also opposite to contrary - real airplanes do fly on rails - it’s call airmanship! lol 

7 hours ago, ritz55 said:

I honestly have no problems landing this aircraft.

Neither do I.   I've landed it every time I've attempted to.

But that says nothing.  There are dozens of aircraft in MSFS (and the other sims) with appalling flight dynamics, that can be landed. That doesn't mean they are remotely realistic.

If you've ever flown an aircraft in real life, you simply cannot seriously be claiming that the SWS PC-12 has realistic flight dynamics, when under high load/low speed conditions.   No aircraft (including the PC-12) yaws out by 5-10 degrees, under zero wind conditions.  No aircraft, loses roll control, while yawing out by 5-10 degrees.  It just isn't physically accurate.

I get that some people seem to enjoy this odd approach to high load/low speed that the SWS PC-12 has, because they see that it's more challenging to land than other aircraft in the sim and therefore assume it's therefore more accurate, and that the PC-12 lands in this odd, physics-defying way in the real world.

It doesn't.

7 hours ago, ritz55 said:

Yes, I have flown planes before. It's interesting to me that you're saying it doesn't fly right at all with 0 hours of flight time, while PC-12 pilots say that it is ok.

How many hours do you have on a real PC-12? Also, are you talking about the Discord “consultant pilots” that say the PC-12 flies ok? If you’ve flown real planes, as you claim, you’d likely understand that this plane, as it flies in MSFS, is straight-up wonky on approach.  You don’t have to have hours in the real plane to know that it’s behaving strange — as in general flight characteristics. 

By the way this is good example of stable approach. You can see trim setting during approach as well to have an idea. Hopefully PC-12 update next week!

 

I won't consider buying their Kodiak 900 either unless they fix the issues with the FD in the 100. However, I must say that the SWS RVs are fun to fly and seem to have a good FM. I got them on sale for just over $2 each which was a bargain.

@sd_flyer One might expect to see the right rudder trim in there for sure...but what I found interesting was all of that DOWN trim he had dialed in! 

Even though this plane is famous for it's negative pitch on approach I wouldn't have really expected to see so much downward trim. He may have been light as he landed pretty flat too.

Interesting!

SWS PC-12

 

APPROACH TIPS
A successful approach is determined by doing no more than what is necessary
to keep the plane where you want it. Know how to manage the aircraft’s energy
and use trim and subtle control inputs to direct it.
Rudder trim should be set one line left of the green zone. Further adjustment
might be needed for crosswind.
Torque setting used on approach is 9-12 psi, most often between 9 and 10psi.
For a 500fpm descent rate, these settings will yield:
Flap setting
(Degrees)
Torque Airspeed (kts) Max demo.
crosswind
15 9-10psi 110-120 25kts
30 9-10psi 95-105 20kts
40 9-10psi 80-90 15kts*
*Landing only
One last tip has to do with trimming the nose up. As the aircraft bleeds off
speed and settles into the approach, trimming the nose up will reduce the need
for aft yoke application. This will make landing much easier but beware in poor
visibility conditions as in the event of a go-around you will need to aggressively
prevent the nose from climbing because of the uptrim and speed increase.
FLARING AND TOUCHDOWN
The PC-12 will approach the runway with a nose-down attitude and if you lose
awareness of that fact it will be very easy to land nose-first. For this reason,
flaring should begin earlier than usual as you have more of an angle to cover.
Some tips to make flaring and touchdown easier:
 When crossing the “fence”, start bringing back the power
 When over the numbers you should be idle and 10kts below your
approach speed
 At the touchdown point you should just hear the stall warning horn
 Before applying beta or reverse, make sure that you have full lateral
control of the aircraft.
 When applying reverse be ready to counter the left pull
 At 50kts exit reverse and apply brakes

32 minutes ago, jwhak said:

SWS PC-12

 

APPROACH TIPS
A successful approach is determined by doing no more than what is necessary
to keep the plane where you want it. Know how to manage the aircraft’s energy
and use trim and subtle control inputs to direct it.
Rudder trim should be set one line left of the green zone. Further adjustment
might be needed for crosswind.
Torque setting used on approach is 9-12 psi, most often between 9 and 10psi.
For a 500fpm descent rate, these settings will yield:
Flap setting
(Degrees)
Torque Airspeed (kts) Max demo.
crosswind
15 9-10psi 110-120 25kts
30 9-10psi 95-105 20kts
40 9-10psi 80-90 15kts*
*Landing only
One last tip has to do with trimming the nose up. As the aircraft bleeds off
speed and settles into the approach, trimming the nose up will reduce the need
for aft yoke application. This will make landing much easier but beware in poor
visibility conditions as in the event of a go-around you will need to aggressively
prevent the nose from climbing because of the uptrim and speed increase.
FLARING AND TOUCHDOWN
The PC-12 will approach the runway with a nose-down attitude and if you lose
awareness of that fact it will be very easy to land nose-first. For this reason,
flaring should begin earlier than usual as you have more of an angle to cover.
Some tips to make flaring and touchdown easier:
 When crossing the “fence”, start bringing back the power
 When over the numbers you should be idle and 10kts below your
approach speed
 At the touchdown point you should just hear the stall warning horn
 Before applying beta or reverse, make sure that you have full lateral
control of the aircraft.
 When applying reverse be ready to counter the left pull
 At 50kts exit reverse and apply brakes

SWS clearly missing a point of when we suppose to turn of yaw damper? What if we are ib instrument approach down to the minimum? Yaw damper on or off?

P.S. The video I posted above shows yaw dumper is disconnected short final .

18 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

SWS clearly missing a point of when we suppose to turn of yaw damper? What if we are ib instrument approach down to the minimum? Yaw damper on or off?

P.S. The video I posted above shows yaw dumper is disconnected short final .

Roger on yaw damper.   I had to figure that out along the way.

              Happy Landings

 

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Yaw damper on or off

I found this, maybe it's of some use?...he discusses the yaw damper and the associated landing troubles:

 

14 hours ago, turnandbank said:

I won't consider buying their Kodiak 900 either unless they fix the issues with the FD in the 100. However, I must say that the SWS RVs are fun to fly and seem to have a good FM. I got them on sale for just over $2 each which was a bargain.

I really would like them to finish the 100….

10 hours ago, cavaricooper said:

I really would like them to finish the 100….

What, specifically ? After a long time away from it, I'm just getting back into the Kodiak 100, and would be interested to match your observations with my own.

There are several points of FDE behavior where I cannot reconcile the current flight model to what I know about the 100. Engine simulation and handling is also a bit dodgy. It would be brilliant to have a fully reflective 100 in Sim.

On 4/6/2024 at 8:50 AM, Matchstick said:

Yeah, the state of the PC-12 really has forced a re-evaluation of their quality and support 😞

In addition to support but the early hype of the PC12 and the "reviews" that were on you tube pre release were border line false. The ground handling is awful and it has not changed.

36 minutes ago, cchiozza said:

In addition to support but the early hype of the PC12 and the "reviews" that were on you tube pre release were border line false. The ground handling is awful and it has not changed.

Actually I have no problem with ground handling. It does give a feeling of heaviness as it should . I actually don't like when heavier GA taxi like light sport - there is nothing realistic about it. IRL I can feel distinctive difference between taxing for example in 172 and Bonanza.