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Dissapointed with new GPU

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I switched from a RTX 3060 to a RTX 4070 and noticed a very modest performance improvement, almost the same FPS as before. I an using the same MSFS settings such as super DLSS resolution with DLAA, which I dont know if they are adequate to the new gpu, also I want to know how to manage the new gpu features as frame generation, as it doesnt show at the Nvidia control panel.-

Thanks

Something isn't right - a 4070 is a LOT better than a 3060. What's the rest of your machine? Have you updated drivers? If you aren't seeing frame gen options, you may have older drivers or else you may not have HAGS and/or resizeable BAR enabled in the BIOS.

Here's a decent video that shows the kind of difference you should be seeing (its a 4070 Ti vs 3060, but you should be much closer to the 4070 Ti and not the 3060) 

CPU and other factors matter of course, but overall you should see a big improvement unless something isn't setup correctly.

Edited by JonathanC

9800X3d, 4090, 64 GB DDR5 6000 RAM, 4 TB NVME (2x2), 4K Ultra + Framegen

18 minutes ago, solito said:

I switched from a RTX 3060 to a RTX 4070 and noticed a very modest performance improvement, almost the same FPS as before. I an using the same MSFS settings such as super DLSS resolution with DLAA, which I dont know if they are adequate to the new gpu, also I want to know how to manage the new gpu features as frame generation, as it doesnt show at the Nvidia control panel.-

Thanks

You need to make sure that HAGS is enabled and then you will be able to enable Frame Generation.  You need to go to your Settings>Display then Default Graphics settings and turn on Hardware-Acceleration GPU Scheduling.  That will enable Frame Generation.  Your frames will double with FG.  What CPU is it paired with.  I did a whole series on my you tube channel about upgrading my RTX 2070 Super to a 4070 with a i7 9700K and had a massive CPU bottle neck.  I ended up just buying a new system.  but this video will show you what you can expect.

https://youtu.be/rUK6pMPKAt0

 

If you are CPU limited, you will not see a significant improvement in performance. You must either push your resolution or graphical settings up to see any improvement. And honestly if your CPU is really weak you'll even have diminishing returns there as I find pushing the resolution tends to increase CPU usage as well (just not as much as the GPU).

1 hour ago, solito said:

I want to know how to manage the new gpu features as frame generation, as it doesnt show at the Nvidia control panel

It's not supposed to show in NCP.  After you turn on HAGS, and are using DX12 in MSFS, you then need to turn on NVIDIA DLSS FRAME GENERATION in MSFS general settings.

Noel

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Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

Well, when the CPU was already at 100% when you are on the 3060 then you won´t see a progress with any new card.

Several videos on that on the internet. 

5 hours ago, solito said:

I switched from a RTX 3060 to a RTX 4070 and noticed a very modest performance improvement, almost the same FPS as before. I an using the same MSFS settings such as super DLSS resolution with DLAA, which I dont know if they are adequate to the new gpu, also I want to know how to manage the new gpu features as frame generation, as it doesnt show at the Nvidia control panel.-

Thanks

First, as others wrote: in MSFS under heavy load conditions (usually at big hubs where FPS are lowest), the limiting factor is in 90% of the cases not the GPU, but the CPU and when your CPU only manages to provide 30FPS, not even a 4090 will help. BUT: frame generation can help. you have to turn it on inside MSFS. Only works in DX12 though and you need to have HAGS turned on in Windows first. 

Greetings, Chris

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There is nothing wrong with your graphics card, your PC is CPU limited, but you should be able to add more graphics options and maintain the same performance as before, I experienced the same thing when I upgraded from 2080Ti to 4070Ti, the performance increase only appeared after I upgraded my CPU.

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7 hours ago, solito said:

I switched from a RTX 3060 to a RTX 4070 and noticed a very modest performance improvement, almost the same FPS as before. I an using the same MSFS settings such as super DLSS resolution with DLAA, which I dont know if they are adequate to the new gpu, also I want to know how to manage the new gpu features as frame generation, as it doesnt show at the Nvidia control panel.-

Thanks

As @Ixoye, @AnkH, and @techman have said above, MSFS is more main thread limited, and GPU's are not so important in MSFS as they are in other titles. 
I ran at 4k quite successfully with an old 1080Ti, but upgrading my CPU to a 14900k has given me the most performance increase.

Can you tell us what your CPU is?

Rob (but call me Bob or Rob, I don't mind).

I like to trick airline passengers into thinking I have my own swimming pool in my back yard by painting a large blue rectangle on my patio.

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3 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

As @Ixoye, @AnkH, and @techman have said above, MSFS is more main thread limited, and GPU's are not so important in MSFS as they are in other titles. 
I ran at 4k quite successfully with an old 1080Ti, but upgrading my CPU to a 14900k has given me the most performance increase.

Can you tell us what your CPU is?

13900K
You should use frame generation though, a feature of the 4x series of Nvidia (if you havent used the mod before for the 2x and 3x cards). DX 12 is mandatory for that though.

Edited by techman
Forgot FG

11 hours ago, solito said:

I switched from a RTX 3060 to a RTX 4070 and noticed a very modest performance improvement, almost the same FPS as before

If by "performance" you mean frame rate, you're missing a couple of other elements at least as or arguably more important than frame rate:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/628655-ultimate-smoothness-at-modest-frame-rates/?do=findComment&comment=4899096

 

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

1 hour ago, techman said:

13900K
You should use frame generation though, a feature of the 4x series of Nvidia (if you havent used the mod before for the 2x and 3x cards). DX 12 is mandatory for that though.

Sorry Techman, I was asking the OP (Solito) what his CPU is. :smile:

Rob (but call me Bob or Rob, I don't mind).

I like to trick airline passengers into thinking I have my own swimming pool in my back yard by painting a large blue rectangle on my patio.

Intel 14900K in a Z790 motherboard with water cooling, RTX 4080, 32 GB 6000 CL30 DDR5 RAM, W11 and MSFS on Samsung 980 Pro NVME SSD's.  Core Isolation Off, Game Mode Off.

13 hours ago, solito said:

I switched from a RTX 3060 to a RTX 4070 and noticed a very modest performance improvement, almost the same FPS as before. I an using the same MSFS settings such as super DLSS resolution with DLAA, which I dont know if they are adequate to the new gpu, also I want to know how to manage the new gpu features as frame generation, as it doesnt show at the Nvidia control panel.-

Thanks

What is your monitor resolution?  At 1080p you won't notice a difference until you use frame generation.  But if you have a junkier old monitor it might flicker.  You really want to have a 1440p or 2160p monitor with gysnc support to use FG.

Also make sure when you use FG that you're NOT using the MSFS developer fps counter... that wont show the AI frames... you need like MSI afterburner or nvidia overlay.

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3 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Sorry Techman, I was asking the OP (Solito) what his CPU is. :smile:

Maybe dont mark everyone next time 🙂

17 hours ago, solito said:

I switched from a RTX 3060 to a RTX 4070 and noticed a very modest performance improvement, almost the same FPS as before. I an using the same MSFS settings such as super DLSS resolution with DLAA, which I dont know if they are adequate to the new gpu, also I want to know how to manage the new gpu features as frame generation, as it doesnt show at the Nvidia control panel.-

Thanks

  • Use DX12
  • Enable HAGS
  • Reboot PC
  • Enable Frame Generation


Ignore all the other posters - Frame Generation alone will double your framerate if you use the same CPU.
From there on you can optimize your settings again.

Cheers
Andreas

Edited by Ojisan_alpha
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