40 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

You could always refile a flightplan without a SID and STAR. So flight do rarely become impossible.

Not sure if that also works when runways are missing. For SID and STAR problems that could work, yes.

40 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Also - why not ask for descent when your TOD is closing in?

I do that all the time. Problem however is that you have to know the STAR (and later on the approach) in order to calculate your TOD. And ATC won't tell you the STAR until you ask for descent (in case it's late). To know your TOD you have to know your STAR and to know your STAR you have to know your TOD... that's a problem, haha! Now I usually pre-load the STAR that SB planned so I know where my TOD is but every now and then BATC changes the STAR and then things may change completely. Pre-loading the approach is even more problematic (or impossible, really) because you never know if you will be vectored or get a transition (and which one?). Approaches are also often assigned quite late. As I said: it's slightly annoying every now and then. 😉

40 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I agree, but only half annoying, since restarting BATC and resuming exactly from where you were only takes about 10 seconds.

Not if every restart results in the same fatal error. Than it is fully annoying, haha! Had this last thursday, probably due to a problem with a certain frequency. I finally had to forget about that flight and plan a new one.

It is true that some bugs and problems can be overcome by doing this or that but it all still feels pretty unreliable to me. I guess different people have a different thresholds when it comes to what's annoying or not. 🙂

Edited June 1, 20242 yr by tup61

Just did my first flight with BATC. Basic voices are good enough for me. Don't use my own voice, just auto-respond and auto-tune.

KATL/08R SMLTZ3 WALET DCT ZJAYX GRNCH5 KMCO/35R 

BATC said default KATL contains bad taxi data, so had to taxi at my discretion. Told me to go to 26L, while everybody was going to the opposite end (BATC should at least read which direction AI is going). Wind check, 145 at 8...

No ability to change callsign in the software. No reload function in the software. Had to close and restart BATC several times...

Visual approach to 35R. Heading left to 130, then right 155 again shortly after, then left 95 and then intercept localizer. That's a 90 degree angle, is that normal? Forgot to acknowledge runway in sight so it had me go around, landed anyway. Reloaded BATC to get taxi instructions, could only select pushback and startup.

Not really impressed, this is too early access.

2 minutes ago, Mike... said:

No reload function in the software. Had to close and restart BATC several times...

Untrue. Just hit escape and that disconnects it. You can then reload it with a new simbrief plan.

5 minutes ago, Mike... said:

BATC should at least read which direction AI is going

Traffic isn't supported yet. BATC will come with its own traffic in the future. Current traffic solutions can be used together with BATC but BATC won't see that traffic and won't control it. Unways in use depend on the sourec of the METAR. BATC uses VATSIM METAR.

5 minutes ago, Mike... said:

No reload function in the software. Had to close and restart BATC several times...

Try the Esc key the next time. EDIT Farlis typed quicker. But I typed more LOL)

5 minutes ago, Mike... said:

That's a 90 degree angle, is that normal?

No, that's EA. 😉

 

Edited June 1, 20242 yr by tup61

57 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

This should be much improved with the latest update (and the hotfix for that)

Forgot to reply to this: it didn't change much in my case. I had ATC tellng me the STAR before my calculated TOD once with the newest versions: all other flights I still had to call for descend.

I do wonder though if this has to do with me only flying the Vision Jet...

Edited June 1, 20242 yr by tup61

21 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Untrue. Just hit escape and that disconnects it. You can then reload it with a new simbrief plan.

They couldn't provide a button for that? 😉

3 hours ago, Mike... said:

No ability to change callsign in the software.

As with all aspects of your flight, BATC gets this from what you filed in Simbrief.  If something needs changing, redo your planning and restart BATC.

 

6 hours ago, Farlis said:

6 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Not sure about an aircraft taxiing to RW 18 on RW 25C... are you sure about that?

Positive. I have no clue why they did that, but they did. Two actually. A tripple seven followed by a bizjet.

My guess why they did this is: The aircraft were already at the holding point, so the easiest piece of pavement for them to get to was the runway; and as ATC was turning the airport around, there were no arrivals or departures happening anyway, so the runway was available to use as a taxiway.

16 minutes ago, martinboehme said:

My guess why they did this is: The aircraft were already at the holding point, so the easiest piece of pavement for them to get to was the runway; and as ATC was turning the airport around, there were no arrivals or departures happening anyway, so the runway was available to use as a taxiway.

There were a couple of thunderstorms over the past weeks in EDDF which each closed the airport down temporarily. I remember in one of them seeing 30-40 airplanes lined up for runway 18 and waiting for departure. That must have been when they said "Hey there's still space on 25C to line up in the queue, come and join the party!", since arrivals were suspended anyway during the thunderstorm.

15 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

There were a couple of thunderstorms over the past weeks in EDDF which each closed the airport down temporarily. I remember in one of them seeing 30-40 airplanes lined up for runway 18 and waiting for departure. That must have been when they said "Hey there's still space on 25C to line up in the queue, come and join the party!", since arrivals were suspended anyway during the thunderstorm.

That was exactly it. Tunderstorms where piling up in the area (of course not in the Sim... *sigh*).

10 hours ago, Mike... said:

BATC said default KATL contains bad taxi data, so had to taxi at my discretion. Told me to go to 26L, while everybody was going to the opposite end (BATC should at least read which direction AI is going). Wind check, 145 at 8...

Yep, 5 out of 10 times this thing will pick the wrong departing and arriving runway and the lack of ability to change is not making this easy forcing you to basically abandon the instruction and just do your own thing. Also agree this was released too early, they have a lot of work to do on this thing to be anywhere close to acceptable. I can appreciate the nice and pretty roadmap they provided, but the project manager in me wants to see some actual timelines, now that I paid for this thing. He hasn't posted any development videos in two months and while I understand they've been hammering out 39 hotfixes since release, it'd be nice to know what's going on with the traffic they've been working on since the October/November timeframe. 

Edited June 2, 20242 yr by Drumcode

3 hours ago, Drumcode said:

39 hotfix

must have  miscounted  i  counted 37 🙂 

7 hours ago, Drumcode said:

Yep, 5 out of 10 times this thing will pick the wrong departing and arriving runway and the lack of ability to change is not making this easy forcing you to basically abandon the instruction and just do your own thing. Also agree this was released too early, they have a lot of work to do on this thing to be anywhere close to acceptable. I can appreciate the nice and pretty roadmap they provided, but the project manager in me wants to see some actual timelines, now that I paid for this thing. He hasn't posted any development videos in two months and while I understand they've been hammering out 39 hotfixes since release, it'd be nice to know what's going on with the traffic they've been working on since the October/November timeframe. 

Giving actual timelines to the broad public is calling for trouble in software development. Look at what happened to Fenix and PMDG (murder threats etc.).

I also totally disagree with the notion this was relased too early (I mean it's lietrally called "early access"), also it's working perfectly in 90% of my flights, which is more than I would expect in early access. But YMMV.
Remember in what state SI was when it started introducing IFR flights? It's even after 3 months still much worse than BATC in doing reliable IFR flights. Or the state when FSHud released? It did not even work with 3rd party airports.
 
Also: "Wrong" runways in what regard? With 20 kts of tailwind?

3 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Giving actual timelines to the broad public is calling for trouble in software development. 

This must be a widely adapted standard in the gaming industry, because it is completely unacceptable to not have timelines in the business software development industry that I've been working in for the better part of the last 20 years. 

4 hours ago, Drumcode said:

This must be a widely adapted standard in the gaming industry, because it is completely unacceptable to not have timelines in the business software development industry that I've been working in for the better part of the last 20 years. 

I’m sure THEY have project timelines, but as with most projects, progress is elastic. The appearance of missed deadlines can produce a negative perception.  I would keep that information in-house too.