7 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

... said the market is 1000 times larger ...

And the market for Volkswagen Golf and Toyota Corolla is 1,000,000 larger than for (e.g.) Lamborghini Huracan ...

I have written an email to the management of Lamborghini (asking for profit-sharing for that idea) to suggest them to build Golfs and Corollas. This way, they could sell so many more units. But they are too stubborn. Or too d.mb to understand this brilliant idea ... 🤣.

12 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

From Randazzo in the PMDG forum:

 

So PMDG is paying over 300K USD for their cloud server, and they also sold 6000 copies of the 777 within 3 minutes. 6000 x $77.73 USD = $466,380 USD, in 3 minutes. The revenue for the PMDG 777 will probably be several million USD, if I have to guess, especially when it release on XBox (I think it may even sell over $10 million USD).

No wonder why PMDG can afford their own private jet:

 

 

Keep in mind this jet costs less than a Bugatti Chiron. Point been, you don't need to be uber successful to afford a jet like this.Anyone with a fairly successful business or career can afford a jet like this.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

The point is, this may end up being a project that sells $10 million USD in revenue for PMDG, especially when it starts selling for XBox users.

I think maybe one of the more important aspects of this to consider is the comparison of just PMDG's own products, i.e. the 737 vs 777, all just in MSFS. The 737 came out for MSFS in May 2022 when only one high fidelity airliner existed for the sim (Maddog), and of course it did well as expected and went on to become the #1 sim add-on according to the latest Navigraph survey. Now keeping that in mind, the PMDG 777 comes out two years later to a MSFS market saturated with many high fidelity airliner add-ons (albeit only one is a widebody i.e. iniBuilds A300), and still manages to sell seven times (7x) the 737 did on its first day/hours!! And for a higher price point of $77+ that's just incredible, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Despite the usual suspects trying to desperately to spin this some other ways by contorting logic and common sense, the PMDG 777 is a stellar high-fidelity add-on per all the user interest, sales, and expert IRL pilot reviews.. and that's no surprise since it's PMDG after all and high quality study-level aircraft is what they do. Gotta say, that gourmet tastes so darn good, and looks it too.

I'm going to go out on a limb and throw out my own statement-of-the-obvious: given the choice of a) taste only, b) both taste and looks ... a big honkin majority are going to choose b). Something that's very evident given the current market of MSFS and its add-ons ecosystem.
 

Edited June 26, 20241 yr by lwt1971

10 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

And the market for Volkswagen Golf and Toyota Corolla is 1,000,000 larger than for (e.g.) Lamborghini Huracan ...

Awww you keep trying so hard don't you. Listen, if it makes you feel better that the PMDG 777 and/or MSFS is equivalent to MacDonald's food rather than gourmet food, or that it's Volkswagen/Corolla level rather than Lambo, then please go ahead. Whatever helps to soothe your seething 🙂

But that said, if you are able to tap into a minimal amount of mental acuity, then try to understand.. let's even for the sake of argument ignore the quality of the add-on. The price of a flight sim add-on at $77+ in 2024 places it squarely in the "higher end" space rather the lower end using the gourmet/MacD analogies or whatever else... starting to get it now? It's simple arithmetic actually.. go on, you can do it.
 

Edited June 26, 20241 yr by lwt1971

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

This hilarious analogy is a coping mechanism for those who can't stand the current situation (for all the usual reasons).. so they try to cast the PMDG 777 as something low-end in order to explain away the ultra-fast high-volume sales, while also making the glaring logic error you mentioned about how the price point that makes their point fall flat on its face 🤣 .. it's all adorably funny though, bless their hearts.
 

MSFS is the gourmet restaurant, selling more than the word not allowed McDonald's (you know who😎).

P.S.: I don't like to be toxic, but apparently there's an inflow of word not allowed in the topic.

12 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

And the market for Volkswagen Golf and Toyota Corolla is 1,000,000 larger than for (e.g.) Lamborghini Huracan ...

I have written an email to the management of Lamborghini (asking for profit-sharing for that idea) to suggest them to build Golfs and Corollas. This way, they could sell so many more units. But they are too stubborn. Or too d.mb to understand this brilliant idea ... 🤣.

X-plane is like a tuk tuk no one wants to buy. MSFS is like a Rolls Royce that sells more than your tuk tuks. 

Cheers

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Since when is the Fenix less than $60? IIRC, it's almost $70 USD.

Which ain't that far from the 777...

It's 50 pounds, equivalent to 63 dollars I think.

20 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

have written an email to the management of Lamborghini (asking for profit-sharing for that idea) to suggest them to build Golfs and Corollas. This way, they could sell so many more units. But they are too stubborn. Or too d.mb to understand this brilliant idea ...

This is plain silly too.

16 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

The point is, this may end up being a project that sells $10 million USD in revenue for PMDG, especially when it starts selling for XBox users. How many flight sim add-ons in the past, before MSFS, have sold $10 million USD in revenue?

And the user base for MSFS maybe more than 10x FSX/P3D. Randazzo said the market is 1000 times larger than P3D because of MSFS, and maybe even larger than 1000 times than P3D in his interview with Sky Blue https://youtu.be/QByw5jN43Bc?si=YAI7zWdaYgDV03HG&t=4067. Now I think Randazzo is exaggerating, but certainly with the XBox users of MSFS taken into consideration, the user base in MSFS is probably over 10x that of FSX/P3D.

So yes, it will be interesting to compare those numbers once a good comparison-base can be made with FSX/P3D. We cannot really put that number of 6000 copies in a context for now. Perhaps they had sold 4000 copies in 3 min for FSX/P3D? We don‘t know. Or are the comparisons known?

A 1000x bigger market is impossible. That would mean that P3D had a userbase of only….15‘000 users? There is something wrong with how they calculated that…

15,000 users X 1000 = 15mi. Seems accurate.

Cheers,

Very entertaining this thread. Thanks guys 🤣👍.

8 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

15,000 users X 1000 = 15mi. Seems accurate.

Cheers,

😂 You must be new…

4 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

😂 You must be new…

Yeah, very new. 25+ years in the hobby. 🤣
 

P.S.: I'm a former X-Planer (v9, v10, v11). I know its flaws and made an informed choice.

Edited June 26, 20241 yr by ca_metal

7 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

Yeah, very new. 25+ years in the hobby. 🤣
 

P.S.: I'm a former X-Planer (v9, v10, v11). I know its flaws and made an informed choice.

So how can you think P3D (one of the both main used sims before MSFS) had only…15’000 users? Don’t you notice something?

42 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

So yes, it will be interesting to compare those numbers once a good comparison-base can be made with FSX/P3D. We cannot really put that number of 6000 copies in a context for now. Perhaps they had sold 4000 copies in 3 min for FSX/P3D? We don‘t know. Or are the comparisons known?

Oh but the context can be put together rather well, even now.. The comparison is well known by, the best source, PMDG themselves 🙂 RSR said yesterday that their 777 for MSFS outsold their 737 for MSFS by over seven times comparing first day sales. And they said multiple times before that the 737 for MSFS has outsold their P3D/FSX versions by orders of magnitude.
 

Edited June 26, 20241 yr by lwt1971